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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 06:48


Quote: Originally posted by Zyklonb  
Cl2 and H2 is a very reactive mixture.


It depends. Dry H2 and Cl2 really don't react that easily and will require heating for the reaction to start. A bit like H2 and O2, really. Activation energy.

Water appears to play a catalytic role in H2 + Cl2, so moist mixtures are more dangerous than very dry ones. But even moist mixtures will not spontaneously explode, as far as I know.




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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 08:12


N2 would be an excellent carrier.



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 08:24


It would but how would you get/make/control it?



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 08:34


but...
O3 + 3H2O > 3H2O2
wouldnt that pretty much just ignore the harder to seperate KCl??




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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 16:30


''but...
O3 + 3H2O > 3H2O2"

Does that reaction happen? I've never seen that.

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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 16:35


Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate  
It would but how would you get/make/control it?


Bubbled through Sulfuric acid to get rid of water, Lime water to get rid of CO2, heated copper wool to get rid of O2,(less than 1% Ar will have no negative affects at all).




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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 17:04


Cu wouldn't work, but well luckily O2 doesn't matter. How would you make the air do that though? (go through your set up). Also put the H2SO4 after the lime water.



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 17:05


Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate  
Cu wouldn't work, but well luckily O2 doesn't matter. How would you make the air do that though? (go through your set up). Also put the H2SO4 after the lime water.

Probably an air pump, or even a balloon.




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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 17:28


My science book says that hot copper does react with O2.



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 19:00


It will but not with the speed nesescary. I would just let the O2 to stay in the mix since it won't react with Cl2 or NaOH..



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[*] posted on 22-12-2013 at 13:48


Well, might as well use air, much cheaper than O2, or any other gasses.



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[*] posted on 23-12-2013 at 12:59


Ok, so I went to Home Depot and bought 1 gallon of ''Safer Muriatic Acid'', (The bottle did not say the concentration of HCl at all). and some ''Pool Shock'' CaOCl( it says, ''52% CaOCl, 48% inert powder.

The HCl is called "Safer'', because it does not fume much, and since it is still quite concentrated, it must have some other ingredients, (it's very clear).
I don't know how to find the concentration of HCl, some help please.
Also, would 52% CaOCl work, or do I need to recrystallize it?




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[*] posted on 23-12-2013 at 13:58


Quote: Originally posted by Zyklonb  
I don't know how to find the concentration of HCl, some help please.
We don't encourage spoon-feeding on this board. Please try using the search function. This has been discussed.



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[*] posted on 24-12-2013 at 01:55


This is one topic that could be better answered with a single link elsewhere:

http://www.utahpyro.org/resources/compositions.php

All of the information you ever wanted on chlorates and perchlorates.
Well maybe not all but certainly the process to make them from
carbon, steel, salt and electricity.
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