Pages:
1
2 |
Ramium
Hazard to Others
Posts: 144
Registered: 3-12-2014
Location: new zealand
Member Is Offline
Mood: Licit fish
|
|
I just had an idea.
Liquified ethyl chloride is poured into a conical flask. A cork with a hole in it is attached to the top of the conical flask. Tubing is push through
the hole in the cork untill it touches the bottom of the conical flask. The other end of the tubing is pushed through another corked conical flask
containing ammonia solution untill it's about 2 inches above the surface of the solution.
You said that the main proplem with my original plan was that ethyl chloride isn't soluble in water. So anyway, the solution of ammonia is heated
gently, being VERY careful not to let the solution boil, since the solubility of ammonia in water decreases as the temperature of the water increases.
Semi anhydrous ammonia gas should be given off from the solution. The gas will travel through the tubing and into the flask of ethyl chloride. No
water will be present to stop the reaction.
C2H5Cl + NH3 = C2H7N + HCl
The 2 products would then react with each other.
C2H7N + HCl = C2H7N.HCl
So after the reaction I should be left with reasonably pure crystals of ethylamine hydrochloride. Right?
Does this sound possible?
I'm sorry. I know you said i should look for a well developed procedure but i think i'll learn more if i try and think it through myself.
insoluble in society
|
|
byko3y
National Hazard
Posts: 721
Registered: 16-3-2015
Member Is Offline
Mood: dooM
|
|
Ammonia reacts sluggishly with alkyl CHLORIDES in a neutral medium. I think it take few days, in case there's enough energy for the reaction to
proceed at all. I want to remind you that the guys in the hive quote had to heat the reaction mixture.
Ammonia has solubility near 5% in chorobenzene, it might be even lower for chloroethane.
You should really consider usage of a universal solvent (DMSO, DMF, PTC), which is a well developed procedure. Also, once again, I have no idea about
the temperature needed to perform the reaction.
|
|
Ramium
Hazard to Others
Posts: 144
Registered: 3-12-2014
Location: new zealand
Member Is Offline
Mood: Licit fish
|
|
Ok how about this?
Same setup as last time except some anhydrous ethanol is poured into the flask of ethyl chloride. When the ammonia gas enters the flask of ethyl
chloride and ethanol, any of the ammonia that doesn't react straight away will disolve in the ethanol and keep reacting with the ammonia over time.
Ammonia and ethyl chloride are both soluble in ethanol, so I thought it would be a good solvent to use. The flask containing the reaction mixture
(ethyl chloride, ammonia, ethanol) would then be corked and heated on a hotplate for several hours.
C2H5Cl + NH3 = C2H7N + HCl
Ethyl chloride, ammonia, ethylamine and hydrochloric acid are all soluble in ethanol.
C2H7N + HCl = C2H7N.HCl
Don't know if ethylamine hydrochloride is soluble in ethanol.
But it doesn't matter because if it is insoluble, it would precipitate and could be collected by filtration. If it is soluble then the ethanol can be
evaporated.
Thanks for your responses. I'm learning a lot.
insoluble in society
|
|
byko3y
National Hazard
Posts: 721
Registered: 16-3-2015
Member Is Offline
Mood: dooM
|
|
As far as I remember you've just explained the procedure I linked.
I don't have precise number on solubilities of those gases (and ethyl chloride probably will be a gas in your case), in case you run too much gas into
reaction you might lose some yield.
ammonia solubility in absolute ethanol at 0°C : 20% (w/w)
ammonia solubility in absolute ethanol at 25°C : 16% (w/w)
I like this data.
[Edited on 8-6-2015 by byko3y]
|
|
Ramium
Hazard to Others
Posts: 144
Registered: 3-12-2014
Location: new zealand
Member Is Offline
Mood: Licit fish
|
|
C2H5Cl + NH3 = C2H7N + HCl
so I need
ethyl chloride = 64.51g excess of 20% to ensure there is no left over ammonia which might react with the HCl produced in the reaction.
ammonia gas = 17.031g (400ml ammonia solution 42g/L concentration)
divide by 2
42g/L ammonia solution = 200ml
ethyl chloride = 32.255g plus 20% excess
based on the solubility of the chemicals I have decided to use 200ml of ethanol
once my ethyl chloride arrives in the mail I will perform the synthesis.
insoluble in society
|
|
Chemosynthesis
International Hazard
Posts: 1071
Registered: 26-9-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
If that is not acceptable. See JACS (1913), 35;11 p1781-3 as linked by gdflip. While the halide solubilities vary, you may consider that quaternary
ammonium salts are often useful as phase transfer catalysts, so modify accordingly. Interested in seeing how things go.
[Edited on 9-6-2015 by Chemosynthesis]
|
|
Fantasma4500
International Hazard
Posts: 1681
Registered: 12-12-2012
Location: Dysrope (aka europe)
Member Is Offline
Mood: dangerously practical
|
|
hydroxides + any given ammonia salt should produce anh ammonia
calcium hydroxide would probably even work
or maybe just dump some ammonium carbonate into the EtCl, turns into CO2 and NH3 around 70*C
this could probably work out very easily if both reagents were dumped into a steel container with a screw lid and heated to around 80*C, pressure
building up inside container should help reaction a slight bit too
i have before stored IPN in stainless steel container similar to this
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71m014PIg0L._SX425_.jp...
however in freezer, but it does seem to be well airtight
maybe the CO2 building up inside could get problematic if you were to not attend the reaction for longer time
|
|
Pages:
1
2 |