Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Resorcinol from tree sap
Random
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1120
Registered: 7-5-2010
Location: In ur closet
Member Is Offline

Mood: Energetic

[*] posted on 15-10-2010 at 07:36
Resorcinol from tree sap


I have some tree sap from firs and could I make resorcinol from that? Or maybe extract some other useful compounds? I have about 1 kg of that tree resin.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
spirocycle
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 197
Registered: 29-9-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 15-10-2010 at 08:46


I forsee a nasty mess in your future
View user's profile View All Posts By User
ScienceSquirrel
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1863
Registered: 18-6-2008
Location: Brittany
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dogs are pets but cats are little furry humans with four feet and self determination! :(

[*] posted on 15-10-2010 at 09:10


I see sticky stuff sticking all over everything, it will be vile :(
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Nicodem
Super Moderator
Thread Moved
15-10-2010 at 09:20
Random
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1120
Registered: 7-5-2010
Location: In ur closet
Member Is Offline

Mood: Energetic

[*] posted on 15-10-2010 at 10:28


Its not that bad actually, I easily manage to clean it using MEK and isopropyl alcohol nail polish remover. :) Just is there a way to do it?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
The WiZard is In
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1617
Registered: 3-4-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 15-10-2010 at 11:17


Quote: Originally posted by Random  
I have some tree sap from firs and could I make resorcinol from that? Or maybe extract some other useful compounds? I have about 1 kg of that tree resin.



Make it from tree sap? industrial production is by fusing
benzene-m-disulfonic acid with sodium hydroxide.
{CCD}

Tree sap may depending on the species of tree heated with sodium hydroxide may work.

Or maybe extract some other useful compounds? .


Sure destructive distillation of the whole plant works. Useful .....?

See —

JL Schantz and T Martin
Hercules Powder Company, Wilmington, Delaware,
Waste Utilization : Land Reclamation through Chemical Industry.
Industrial and Engineering Chemistry. 31 [5] 585-595. May, 1939.
(5 pages of pictures.)



View user's profile View All Posts By User
Methansaeuretier
Harmless
*




Posts: 45
Registered: 24-5-2010
Location: Europe
Member Is Offline

Mood: strongly alkaline

[*] posted on 15-10-2010 at 19:39


Maybe extraction with hot aq. NaOH does work. Precipation with aq. HCl may lead to a crude product.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
The WiZard is In
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1617
Registered: 3-4-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 16-10-2010 at 07:04


Quote: Originally posted by Random  
I have some tree sap from firs and could I make resorcinol from that? Or maybe extract some other useful compounds? I have about 1 kg of that tree resin.


Ettore Molinari
Treatise on General and Industrial Chemistry
Translated from the second enlarged and revised Italian
edition by TH Pope
P Blackiston's Son & Co.
1913

Sez — is formed on fusing various resins, such as galbanum and asafœtida with potash....
Wiki-P sez the same.

Question being — why were these two gum's/resins preferred?


View user's profile View All Posts By User
Random
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1120
Registered: 7-5-2010
Location: In ur closet
Member Is Offline

Mood: Energetic

[*] posted on 17-10-2010 at 04:37


It's actually pine tree resin. Do I need to fuse it with NaOH or I can just use solution of naoh in hot water?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
The WiZard is In
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1617
Registered: 3-4-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 17-10-2010 at 10:13


Quote: Originally posted by Random  
It's actually pine tree resin. Do I need to fuse it with NaOH or I can just use solution of naoh in hot water?


Resorcinol is obtained in considerable quantity by distilling extract of Brazilwood, a dye made by boiling the wood of Cceialjrinia braziliensis with water, and evaporating the solution. It was originally prepared by fusing with potash the gam-resin known as yalbanum, obtained in Turkey and the East Indies as an exudation from the Galbanum officinale, an umbelliferous plant. Other gum-resins obtained from plants of the same order also yield resorcinol when fused with potash; such as ammoniacum, atsafcetida, tagapenum, all more or less firt idsmelling medicinal bodies imported from the East. When these gam-resins are distilled alone, they yield umbelliferone, C.H.O,, or CaH,(CHO).,CO, which is converted into resorcinol when fused with potash.
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top