Sciencemadness Discussion Board - I'm getting the texas DPS permit for glassware

I'm getting the texas DPS permit for glassware

Cou - 4-4-2015 at 13:09

I decided I would rather get the permit for glassware, than always live in fear of a SWAT team breaking in at 3 AM. Has anyone here had experience with this permit, and where can I read more about it? I've heard that it takes 60 days for the permit process to complete, but I'm not sure about this. And even home chemists can get it, not just businesses. You have to let DPS officers inspect your lab area before getting the permit, and the permit only applies for one glassware order, where you must list the quantities of every piece of glassware. This means that if you need another glassware, and you want to order more, you have to send another form. No, I can't just move out of Texas, because college is cheaper with state residence. The permit also applies to controlled substances like red phosphorus (https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RegulatoryServices/narcotics/narcprecursor.htm). Not sure how it would work with other useful substances on DEA lists, such as acetic anhydride and acetone, but I might find this out when they call me (one user on this board got a phone call when getting this permit, and they said that he had to have a locked cabinet to keep the glassware in, for which DPS officers were sent to make sure that he had one).

Yes, the bureaucracy is strong here. But I need to do some official research in organic chemistry, which would help me get in college.

On a random side note, can someone recommend a good organic glassware set I can order online?

[Edited on 4-4-2015 by Cou]

Magpie - 4-4-2015 at 13:18

Quote: Originally posted by Cou

... (one user on this board got a phone call when getting this permit, and they said that he had to have a locked cabinet to keep the glassware in, for which DPS officers were sent to make sure that he had one)....

That's encouraging. This, in a way, is giving tacit approval of a home chemistry lab. I don't recall ever hearing of this before.

In the EU they now have a permit process for obtaining proscribed chemicals. But it doesn't look like any home chemist well ever get the permit.

gdflp - 4-4-2015 at 13:28

This is interesting, now I'm curious as to whether the DEA has a similar license. Technically I suppose that if you buy a heating mantle, then you aren't breaking the law as they misspelled it.

Cou - 4-4-2015 at 13:55

Permit doesn't do much good though, when I need a vacuum filtration apparatus, and those are so expensive that only high schools have them. But wait... can't do chemistry at high school, outside of in-class labs that are part of the curriculum. Cause you don't want kids showing actual interest in a subject like chemistry outside of just making good grades... that is the sign of a FUTURE TERRORIST!

[Edited on 4-4-2015 by Cou]

aga - 4-4-2015 at 14:02

Avoid owning a heating Mantulé.

They work great, yet you can get by just fine without one.

A Permit will put you in a strange position, in that you'll be on a List.

Anything Odd happens, even remotely related to chemistry, guess where they will go look.

The Park ? The local Mall ? No. The List of known people with chemistry stuff.

Personally i think that the Authorities are doing less than their Best to detect and control wrong-doers, and that the systems being put in place will simply distract them from detecting criminals, and waste a lot of time and money.

On the other hand, if you do not register, then you'll look a lot more like a wrong-doer in the event that you get raided.

It's a choice : believe in yourself and your freedoms, or believe in the systems designed to remove your freedoms.

Magpie - 4-4-2015 at 14:47

I don't live in Texas (thank Science) but if I did I wouldn't apply for the permit for the reasons aga mentioned.

(...all my ex's live in Texas...

)

Zombie - 4-4-2015 at 15:19

Give Texas back to Mexico, and move all the Texans to New Jersey.

What's fair is fair.

Oh yeah... Get the permit. but you can't. Minors can not hold state permits.

Chemistry is trying to drive you insane Cou. I'd switch to computer science if I were you.

Cou - 4-4-2015 at 15:25

Quote: Originally posted by Zombie

Give Texas back to Mexico, and move all the Texans to New Jersey.

What's fair is fair.

Oh yeah... Get the permit. but you can't. Minors can not hold state permits.

Chemistry is trying to drive you insane Cou. I'd switch to computer science if I were you.

My parents are getting the permit, not me.

Zombie - 4-4-2015 at 15:35

I am still not sure that will cover allowing YOU access. I would be sure to verify this.

I'm not trying to discourage you Cou but once you do get involved with State, and Federal agencies... They share info.

Something you or your parents may not have considered is LOCAL fire codes for storing chemicals, and Home Owners Insurance NOT covering your home in the event of a chemical accident.

Receiving a cancellation notice from the Insc. company may just be an un-expected result of obtaining said permit.

I went thru all of this when I started dreaming of a home lab.
The easiest hurdle was having to add a second means of egress from the lab. (door to back yard). The toughest was dealing with "The good hands people".

Going legit means there are a lot more "I"s to cross, and "T"s to dot.

[Edited on 4-4-2015 by Zombie]

Cou - 4-4-2015 at 15:47

Well, I have no other choice.

Doing actual research on an obscure compound such as isopropyl salicylate, or the other higher salicylates, and publishing the info, would REALLY help with getting in college. Colleges like to see students who really like academia, and aren't just high-grade asians without personalities.

But the catch is that while doing chemistry research is easier in college, it's damn difficult and embarrassing to try to get access to a high school's CHEMISTRY LAB outside of an in-class lab due to fears of "16 year olds playing around with acids and blowing stuff up". So that's a catch 22, doing chemistry research on a subject you're passionate about will help you get in college, especially if you make all 100s in HS chemistry classes, like me but you can't do chemistry at all if you aren't IN college.

It's possible to do at home, but then you have to pay for all the glassware yourself...
Vacuum filtration can only be done in a school laboratory.

[Edited on 4-4-2015 by Cou]

Magpie - 4-4-2015 at 15:55

At my local community college high school students (might have to be seniors) can take college classes if they qualify. My college offers 1 credit courses in chemistry that are research projects. Does your local community college have such offerings?

[Edited on 4-4-2015 by Magpie]

Cou - 4-4-2015 at 15:56

My high school does have IB chemistry, which I will be taking next year. I hear that they make their own labs, but I'm not sure exactly how they work. Will find out next year.

Chemosynthesis - 4-4-2015 at 16:54

Quote: Originally posted by gdflp

This is interesting, now I'm curious as to whether the DEA has a similar license.

For lab equipment?

It's normally just forms for restricted precursors or drugs, which do depend on your education/licensing/facility, but not for apparati themselves. They watch some purchases such as tablet machines/presses and sometimes large purchases or rotovaps or whatever if they are deemed suspicious.

Zombie - 4-4-2015 at 18:44

Quote: Originally posted by Cou

Colleges like to see students who really like academia, and aren't just high-grade asians without personalities.

[Edited on 4-4-2015 by Cou]

You have to learn something else Cou. Or maybe I should say UN-Learn.

I like you vigor Cou but no one likes hate. Try to work on this ok!

You never know where your real friends may come from.

[Edited on 4-5-2015 by Zombie]

gdflp - 4-4-2015 at 20:21

Quote: Originally posted by Chemosynthesis

Quote: Originally posted by gdflp

This is interesting, now I'm curious as to whether the DEA has a similar license.

No, I meant for some of the List I chems that are difficult to synthesize in experimental quantities. The only chemical I personally find to be difficult is red phosphorus, but others may have issues due to local availability, or lack thereof, of other non-watched compounds e.g. iodides

I suppose that since buying red phosphorus is not illegal(to my knowledge), but will put you on a list regardless of having a license, going through the hassle of getting a license is futile. On the other hand, you may be on a less suspicious list if you get the license, but unfortunately I don't know the internal workings of the DEA, so this is just a guess.

[Edited on 4-5-2015 by gdflp]

Cou - 5-4-2015 at 05:50

Getting a permit will put you on a watch list for sure. But would you rather have a certain chance of getting a knock on the door from the police, or getting on the watch list the hard way, when a SWAT team gets a call from the neighbors and breaks your door down at 3 AM with guns at your head?

Zombie - 5-4-2015 at 06:43

I'd rather be trampled by turtles.

Texium - 5-4-2015 at 08:14

Ok. Lots of stuff to say about this thread.

Cou: Please read this carefully and consider it, rather than tossing it aside with a one-liner, as I've put a lot of thought into it. I would recommend that you don't get the permit. I considered it once last year long and hard, but decided not to. I thought about all of the implications, such as how it would draw attention to me by getting me put on a list, and all of the paperwork I'd have to deal with, as well as having to let an officer walk around in my lab and inspect everything. It would be so much of a gamble. What if they just decided to not give me a permit, seize all of my glassware that I already have, and then arrest me? Or my parents? No. Don't apply for the permit. Instead, just act normally about it. You can still buy equipment listed on that list with no problems. They don't actually track all of the sales unless they are between a seller and buyer that are both in Texas. (I tried ordering from Capitol Scientific, a supplier in Austin, and they wouldn't let me without a permit). Despite that, ordering from out of state is no problem. I've ordered tons of stuff from Elemental Scientific and Cynmar with no issues or questions asked. As for the precursor list, most of it is so specific and non-useful for the majority of us, that if you did get raided, it would be very unlikely that you'd get taken, as they'd probably only get truly suspicious if you had a combination of precursor chemicals and apparatus. Interact normally with people. Tell people that you do home chemistry, and talk about what you do like it's the most normal thing in the world (because it should be!). Don't ever bring up the legal implications. Although it may feel cool to say "Yeah... technically I could be charged with, like, three felonies..." that's what will make normal people feel nervous about your hobby. If you end up getting busted, you won't have the sympathy of people you know working for you, because they'll think you deserved it. When you've been warm and open to people about chemistry, and shown them what sort of interesting stuff you've done, you're sure to have some support if you ever get into any trouble (which is still very unlikely).

Cou - 5-4-2015 at 08:23

Quote: Originally posted by zts16

What if they just decided to not give me a permit, seize all of my glassware that I already have, and then arrest me? Or my parents?

Not trying to argue, but you are supposed to get the permit before ordering glassware, not while you already have it. Having glassware before getting the permit approved would indeed be reason for an arrest. I don't see how they could arrest you if you apply for the permit, and they come check, but you don't have anything on the precursor substances/equipment list. I don't have any glassware right now.

[Edited on 5-4-2015 by Cou]

Texium - 5-4-2015 at 08:30

Quote: Originally posted by Cou

Quote: Originally posted by zts16

What if they just decided to not give me a permit, seize all of my glassware that I already have, and then arrest me? Or my parents?

Should have figured that you'd focus on some stupid detail like that. I already had glassware because I was not aware of the law when I made my first couple of orders. My real point was that there is no good reason to go through the rigamarole of obtaining this permit as an individual minor, because there is very low likelihood that you will need it if you don't go around actively drawing negative attention to yourself. Now can you actually reply to the main substance of the post that I spent a long time typing rather than nitpicking my past uninformed decisions? Thanks.

[Edited on 4-5-2015 by zts16]

Aquakidney - 5-4-2015 at 09:15

Cou,

You're putting yourself through the wringer for nothing here. If you're doing all this so you can pad a college application, don't waste your time. No college on earth expects a freshman to have published original research.

I graduated high school with a less-than-spectacular GPA of 3.4 and absolutely ZERO official extracurriculars. But I had taken a few AP classes and did particularly well on the ACT. Based on that, the local state university gave me a full scholarship. (The place is no dump, either, with an international reputation in chemistry, CS and genetics.)

If you want to get into college, take challenging classes, hit the books, and keep your nose clean. If you want to distinguish yourself, find some artistic hobby you like and pursue it seriously, e.g., learn to play an instrument. If you're really interested in science, let your science teachers know that by working hard for them and not being a dick in class. When the time comes, they'll probably be happy to write letters of recommendation for you. And whatever you do, do not apply for that permit. Dow and Baker-Hughes can afford a legal department to deal with bureaucratic nightmares; you and your parents cannot.

Magpie - 5-4-2015 at 10:16

Quote: Originally posted by Aquakidney

I graduated high school with a less-than-spectacular GPA of 3.4 ...

Wow, in my day a 3.4 would have been a very good GPA, verging on outstanding. Grade inflation has certainly taken over.

I read in the Wall Street Jungle that in my day 20% of the students had an "A average." Now, 50% do. I guess students have really gotten smart in the interim! What we won't do to build up egos, avoid parental complaining, and "get into a great college." :mad:

Etaoin Shrdlu - 5-4-2015 at 14:29

Quote: Originally posted by Cou

No, I can't just move out of Texas, because college is cheaper with state residence.

We have colleges in other states, too.

Chemosynthesis - 5-4-2015 at 15:37

Quote: Originally posted by gdflp

Quote: Originally posted by Chemosynthesis

Quote: Originally posted by gdflp

This is interesting, now I'm curious as to whether the DEA has a similar license.

Oh. You would at least need a Form 510. I don't recall the limitations, as there are exemptions (usually government and law enforcement), but it's a part of Bulk Chemical Manufacturing Reports. The division has its own email: BCMReports@usdoj.gov

It's all contingent on meeting state/local permits, and there are odd quirks about different arbitrary categories of precursors not overlapping, so you may need multiple forms of the same type for different chemicals (phosphorus actually has some unique exemptions attached). It's a huge, bureaucratic pain in the ass that applies with precursors, drugs (different forms for them), etc. But it's legal.
Edit: This is just for manufacture without complete internal use (expected distribution). Importation requires different paperwork. I actually don't know what form you would need for manufacture and complete internal consumption. I should look into that. You do still need to report quotas of some kind for records, so it's unfortunately not a complete exemption for hobby use. Of course, if you just purchase the chemical elsewhere, the records and reporting onus is on them, so it is somewhat more convenient.

[Edited on 6-4-2015 by Chemosynthesis]

Zombie - 5-4-2015 at 15:45

I think Cou is just happy to be dramatic.

You're most likely a 43 year old living in your parents attic.

No offense bro but enough is enough. I thought you would be too busy, what with life long Gamma scans to attend university anyway. Enough!

Bigotry, chemophopia, cancer scares, fumed to death by metal vapors, dis-respect for law enforcement, dis-respect for teaching institutions / teachers, disrespect for class-mates, ect...

I'm starting to think you are not who or what you claim to be.

Maybe a chat room is better suited to your banter.

I have NO RIGHT to direct anyone in any direction. Especially here at S.M. BUT~~~ reading dozens of posts attempting to help you, it appears you do not want or desire help.
You want DRAMA.

Are you really the "resident troll" guy? Did you figure out how to use a stationary proxy?

My 28yo daughter calls me "The Child Abuse Super Hero". She does this because I Love to help kids, and have no fear of adults. In my experience (28 years) kids always respond positively. They say "Thanks" for the advice. They say "Someday I will return the kindness".

You always say NOTHING. You just move along to the next dramatic issue.

Me personally... done!

Sorry to all the members for ranting at a "kid".

Cou, If you are a kid, I owe you an apology. I hope you change your life for the better.
If you're not a kid... I hope your life changes for the better.

.If you have lived 40 some years (as I suspect) it's sad.

WGTR - 5-4-2015 at 15:47

I'm thinking of getting a permit myself. I work at a company where we are covered by an umbrella-type permit. We have an on-site Fisher rep who does our ordering for us. Any work-related purchases are no problem.

It becomes complicated when I want to order some extra things on my own. There are some pieces of glassware that may not be immediately work-related enough to justify ordering through the company, but would greatly help in my own personal studies and experimentation (As an aside, these studies eventually end up benefiting the company in some way). I have access to a lot of glassware in another building, but I would really like to get my own that I can use in my own lab.

My situation is ironically more complicated than that of someone doing chemistry in their backyard. In order to submit the paperwork, I have to agree to have the lab inspected by a law enforcement agent. I can tell you right now, approval for that will never happen, not at any time during this life nor the one to come. I live in an apartment, and have a storage unit, but neither of those places are suitable for a lab, so I can't just say that I'll be using the glassware in my apartment or something. I'm an honest person, anyway. Yes, I can just order things from small companies on eBay, but I would like to do business with the "big boys", like Fisher and Sigma.

I'm undecided right now on how to proceed. There are a few different directions I could go with it. I might just bribe my director (ha ha!) in some way to get him to approve an order on company overhead. Another option is to make my own glassware. I don't have a glass lathe, but I can handle some things that don't exactly require one. It would also be a good excuse to upgrade my glassblowing equipment. When the state sees where the equipment would be going, they might also waive the inspection requirement.

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I have talked with the owner of a science store where I live about the permitting process. He said that DPS will send someone out to look around when the permit is applied for. He didn't make it sound like a big deal, though. Parents who are home schooling will often apply for a permit, since, well, they want to teach their kids chemistry. Texas is a big home schooling state, and the laws are generally favorable toward it.

Generally, the state wants to make sure that people aren't buying glassware to make drugs. It's difficult to enforce the permitting process, and really, it's the transfer of the glassware that requires the permit, not the ownership of it. Simply owning it is not illegal. For someone to go through the trouble of the permitting process implies that they are honest individuals. Generally, I think the process would be a valuable experience. It would at least require you to get your stuff together and meet some basic inspection requirements.

For what it's worth, I would suggest having your "lab" on a bench in the backyard. Glassware could be stored in a locked shed in the yard. If you have a lot of chemicals, put them somewhere else off-site and don't mention them. In fact, don't volunteer anything that you aren't specifically asked. I suggested having the lab in the yard, to minimize the need for the officer to look around inside your house. It likely wouldn't be a problem for you, but it's generally a bad idea to invite an officer to look around inside your house.

Document some basic experiments that you'd like to try with whatever glassware you want to get. Keep them simple. This should be sufficient to justify your purchase. Don't try to impress the officer with your knowledge about chemistry, or possible illicit uses for the glassware, unless you like jumping into warm cow patties. Be innocent and humble, and that will go a long way towards streamlining the process.

That's my 2 cents worth.

[Edited on 4-5-2015 by WGTR]

Cou - 5-4-2015 at 15:48

Quote: Originally posted by Zombie

I think Cou is just happy to be dramatic.

You're most likely a 43 year old living in your parents attic.

No offense bro but enough is enough. I thought you would be too busy, what with life long Gamma scans to attend university anyway. Enough!

Bigotry, chemophopia, cancer scares, fumed to death by metal vapors, dis-respect for law enforcement, dis-respect for teaching institutions / teachers, disrespect for class-mates, ect...

I'm starting to think you are not who or what you claim to be.

Maybe a chat room is better suited to your banter.

I have NO RIGHT to direct anyone in any direction. Especially here at S.M. BUT~~~ reading dozens of posts attempting to help you, it appears you do not want or desire help.
You want DRAMA.

Are you really the "resident troll" guy? Did you figure out how to use a stationary proxy?

My 28yo daughter calls me "The Child Abuse Super Hero". She does this because I Love to help kids, and have no fear of adults. In my experience (28 years) kids always respond positively. They say "Thanks" for the advice. They say "Someday I will return the kindness".

You always say NOTHING. You just move along to the next dramatic issue.

Me personally... done!

Sorry to all the members for ranting at a "kid".

Cou, If you are a kid, I owe you an apology. I hope you change your life for the better.
If you're not a kid... I hope your life changes for the better.

.If you have lived 40 some years (as I suspect) it's sad.

I have been anticipating this reaction from one of the sciencemadness members for quite a while.

Zombie - 5-4-2015 at 15:50

Took a little minute didn't it?

Cou - 5-4-2015 at 17:56

The reason I have been complaining so much, and not discussing actual chemistry or reporting experiment results, is because Texas does not let me. The Man imposes liability on the schools, preventing me from doing my own experiments, and the School Men do not appreciate (high school) students who are genuinely interested in any academic subject beyond simply wanting a good grade. As soon as I can obtain glassware, or build a poor man's ghetto lab setup from home depot tubes and pipes, I can start participating in this forum. I can start researching higher salicylates. BUt until then, don't blame me, blame all the dumb cowboys here.

j_sum1 - 5-4-2015 at 18:24

Zombie has a point. You don't present well. And your posts tend to lack somewhat in perspective. You really would do well to heed the helpful posts that others have kindly provided and also acknowledge the same.

There are usually multiple solutions to the problems you pose. Listening gives you access to more of them.

As for conjectures about your age and motives, I don't share zombie's conclusion but I do see how he might have reached it.

WGTR - 5-4-2015 at 20:12

Quote: Originally posted by Cou

The reason I have been complaining so much, and not discussing actual chemistry or reporting experiment results, is because Texas does not let me. The Man imposes liability on the schools, preventing me from doing my own experiments, and the School Men do not appreciate (high school) students who are genuinely interested in any academic subject beyond simply wanting a good grade

If you injured yourself doing some experiment at school, wouldn't your parents be the first in line to file a lawsuit? If not, then they have my respect. The liability issue is not Texas, it's everywhere. It's a fact of life that children are seen as poor vulnerable waifs, needing insulation in bubble wrap to protect them from the common scrapes of life. This is less of a problem as you get older. As a non-degreed, not-so-young-anymore guy, I have seen that trust is something that's earned over time. Even people fresh out of college don't get turned loose in a lab by themselves. They normally work with a more-experienced mentor for a while, until people are satisfied that they won't cause a mess.

A person that I work with, much older and wiser than I, says that doing synthetic organic (as opposed to inorganic) chemistry is generally unsafe unless one is experienced. There are a lot of things that can work quietly 99 times, but go very, very, wrong the 100th time. Perhaps he's being overly cautious, but he goes on to say that it's better to work with someone experienced in a given procedure who can look over one's shoulder. This helps make sure that one doesn't accidentally do something really dumb.

As for the lack of understanding, 99.999% of the cattle mooing through the halls of your school are probably there to just get a grade, hopefully get into a good college, find a good job, and then make tons of money. From there, they can have lots of pretty children, and all live in little boxes made of ticky-tacky, and...never mind. Your teachers may not know what to do with you, since you don't fit the mold. I had this problem, and I think several people here have as well. Life stinks sometimes.

Perhaps you'd be the most charming and engaging (self-described) Asian guy in person, but here it sounds like you have a general dislike of being told what you can and can't do. In other words, a dislike of authority. That is a big red flag in a lab setting, and it breeds distrust. Here in the US, we would rather die than be told what to do. Having a "good name" among our peers is quite important though. It helps get recommendations to good colleges. It helps create networks of friends within those colleges, which translate to good job opportunities after college. It allows one to become an authority in a particular field, and advance through the ranks. This can't happen unless the dues are paid in full. The persecution complex is a mental "cancer" that needs to be carved out before it metastasizes. It can definitely hold you back.

Anyway, here is a useful website that sells bits of scientific glassware. One can buy various ground glass joints, tubing, etc, and all of these things can, with considerable practice, be joined with a common propane torch. The Chinese branded joints are the cheapest.

http://www.mountainglass.com/Products/BOROSILICATE-GLASS-33-...

All of the experiments that I have done thus far have been with bent pieces of glass tubing, or stuff fused together with a Home Depot propane torch. Even rubber stoppers can be used as joints between tubes. A copper tube with rubber stoppers in either end, and a glass tube pushed through the middle, becomes a reflux condenser. Anyway, have fun.

IrC - 6-4-2015 at 00:02

"BUt until then, don't blame me, blame all the dumb cowboys"

Will you stop with the stereotyping crap. What data can you provide as proof they are dumb. I would rather have Texas cowboys for neighbors any day over limp wrist-ed liberal whining cappuccino drinkers.

Whenever I hear this I think of my favorite Traffic song from 1971 'Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys'. High Heeled Boys = men wearing cowboy boots. For many years people would say he meant stupid by 'Low Spark'. Ironically it had nothing to do with that, the writer (Winwood) was thinking 'rebel spirit' referencing his friend Michael J. Pollard. Thanks to Wikipedia you can learn the true history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Low_Spark_of_High_Heeled_Bo...

Since it is such a great song I'll give a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8M8R835Ck4

Cou - 6-4-2015 at 05:53

Quote: Originally posted by WGTR

Quote: Originally posted by Cou

Exactly, on the "teachers don't know what to do with you" point. The fact that the teachers in my school have NEVER seen a student with actual interest in chemistry, is why the school doesn't even have a list of rules for the chemistry lab pertaining to that. They've simply never seen a student like me before,who makes all 100s on every test quiz and lab, aand finds the in class labs too boring. And so there is no need for a list of rules that says "Students may not borrow glassware from the stockroom. Students are only permitted to perform labs that are part of the class, self experimentation is strictly prohibited due to liability."

Texium - 6-4-2015 at 09:28

Not even going to try any more.

Mailinmypocket - 6-4-2015 at 09:48

Cou Im starting to wonder if you are a troll of sorts, taking advantage on the supportive and helpful SM community. Forever saying just enough to get detailed and lengthy responses but it never seems like the information given to you soaks in.

There is a thread on what people would do to be able to order from Sigma, then a thread about how to buy from them but also saying you never would buy from them. Threads about you quitting the hobby, now a thread about you (or your parents, whatever) getting a glassware permit. Really?

Decide what you want from sciencemadness and chemistry. As some say, "sh*t or get off the pot"

IrC - 6-4-2015 at 11:33

"self experimentation is strictly prohibited due to liability."

From this can we assume those 'dumb cowboys' (as you say Cou) are not so 'dumb' after all? What sane person would happily hand their hard earned money to others due to the actions of non thinking k3wls?

aga - 6-4-2015 at 14:28

Try to be a little kinder to Cou.

Between the lines i read that there is something here that gives Cou comfort, indicating that where he/she is at needs some of that.

Give it a little time : Cou may well turn out to be a long-term member and a nett contributor.

Nothing Cou has said is offensive or derisory, so it could be a whole lot worse.

Texium - 6-4-2015 at 14:53

Quote: Originally posted by aga

Nothing Cou has said is offensive or derisory, so it could be a whole lot worse.

Err, excecpt for the occasional somewhat racist comment or blatantly rude rant, sure... nothing offensive.

aga - 6-4-2015 at 15:11

People are generally 'racist'.

Modern weirdness seems to somehow try to deny a gut instinct.

Fact is that we're hard-wired to recognise our own gene-brand, so all the political correct-ness in the world changes nothing, just pushes it underground for a while.

Test this : if you're white (jewish preferably for this experiment) walk into a Mosque and ask if Mohammed actually existed.

Warning: this experiment must only be done in a Fume Hood, and with adequate safety precautions.

Cou - 6-4-2015 at 15:17

I no longer need to complain on this forum so much. I finally found some very nice chemistry teachers at my school who are willing to sponsor an organic chemistry club; they were very nice about it! No suspicion (we even laughed about how breaking bad ruined the image of chemistry), they thought it was a good idea, I could even buy the reagents myself. They said liability isn't an issue. I can finally start experimenting on higher salicylates and reporting my results here. But probably not till the beginning of the next school year.

[Edited on 6-4-2015 by Cou]

aga - 6-4-2015 at 15:21

Woohoo !

Told you it'd all come right in the end.

Just needed some time.

Magpie - 6-4-2015 at 15:33

Way to go Cou!

[Edited on 7-4-2015 by Magpie]

Zombie - 6-4-2015 at 18:04

Guys... There was no school today due to EASTER!!!

I'm going to the Mosque now to Prove there is no Mohamad. The Easter Bunny has my back, and Santa has a sleigh full of .223's for me.

How much more religious backing can I get? Gods Puppies Forward!!!

Etaoin Shrdlu - 7-4-2015 at 03:34

Quote: Originally posted by Zombie

Guys... There was no school today due to EASTER!!!

Nah, some places have it the Friday before.

Quote: Originally posted by Cou

They've simply never seen a student like me before,who makes all 100s on every test quiz and lab,

In high school, it's very very unlikely that they haven't.