I have not yet seen any reaction with a grignard that makes a cyclic compound so far...should this discourage me?
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[Edited on 11-3-2003 by BASF]BASF - 10-3-2003 at 16:06
NOOOOOOOO!
This is running me mad........argh
it was all ok till i posted it to the boardBASF - 10-3-2003 at 16:23
It is a *** art to draw structural formulas with ASCII, and when you post it to the board, all the gaps get messed up......
I hope you can still figure it out of the schematic with looking twice...madscientist - 10-3-2003 at 17:53
You might want to consider downloading "ISIS Draw" for diagramming organic reaction schemes. A google search will turn up a download. Blind Angel - 10-3-2003 at 19:25
or using [code][/code]vulture - 11-3-2003 at 14:30
Chemsketch is far superior if you ask me.Blind Angel - 11-3-2003 at 20:13
Anyway i'm trying to figure out what it's write and here my conclusion...
I can't tell if it's work but see by yourself
BASF - 12-3-2003 at 10:24
Hey thanks.....
You´d only have to change -OH being on top of the arrow in the last step, reagents are always on top of reaction arrows and the leaving groups or
eliminated species are below, so then -HCl(the negative sign does not mean charge but that it is a leaving group in this case, while the -OH is the
counter-ion of Na+ in here).
Sorry for not writing OH-, which is from a structural point of view wrong, because the negative charge is on the oxygen in reality, but i have to
admit it would have been less misleading....Blind Angel - 12-3-2003 at 13:31
My pleasure, thanx for the info, and personnely i don't have much knowledge about grignard reagent, but i think it may work. I don't really
understand why do it need a Chlorine? (and also what would be the name of the grignard?)madscientist - 12-3-2003 at 13:33
Ball and stick models may look pretty, but they're too cumbersome to be used for diagramming reactions in organic chemistry. BASF - 12-3-2003 at 15:00
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I don't really understand why do it need a Chlorine?
Well, i know that for elimination of an H to get an alkene or alkine(double elimination) you need a halogenalkane, preferably with bromine, because it
is a good leaving group(this is because it has the lowest electronegativity of the halogens, so the difference in electronegativit with the low
electronegative carbon, which holds the bond, is smaller.
-But to tell you no shit i had to look it up again ... the main reason for the halogen is that it attracts electron density from the surrounding
carbon(s), so the C-H bondings in the "neighbourhood" are considerably weakened and a strong base like OH-(or much better, an alkoxide with
steric hindrance, like sodiumphenolate, for instance) is then able to abstract one of these hydrogens while the halogen leaves simultaneously(E2
meachanism).
This in turn generates a double bond.
BTW, i forgot to mention that the last step in my reaction scheme would also generate the SN2-products, phenols, as byproduct.
My hope is that in this reaction the steric hindrance of the hexane-ring prevents the backside-attack, which is needed for SN2, so mainly the E2
product benzene is generated, so one could use the cheap base OH-.
A little bit weird, while i have an expensive grignard-reagent in the first step, i have to admit...
Also, i remind, strong bases like alkoxides with good steric hindrance could also be made by reacting NaOH with alcohols as these are protic solvents
and this would be far cheaper than reacting sodium metal with ethanol, for instance.
