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Thorium chloride extraction.
Could I produce thorium chloride from lantern mantles by burning them to ashes, producing a mixture of oxides and ashes, then react the mixture with
hydrochloric acid to produce thorium chloride? I have about 200 mantles.
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The Austrian Scientist
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No, since you will form ThO2 wich is very inert.
It´s only shlightly soluble in hot conc. H2SO4.
But you could reduce the ThO2 to Th metal and disolve it in HCl.
[Edited on 3-1-2018 by The Austrian Scientist]
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Ahh. That is so much easier to type than to do.
I recommend reading the thread by Dan Vizine on the trials of thorium production.
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Can´t you just reduce it with lets say Mg powder like:
ThO2 + 2 Mg --> Th + 2 MgO ?
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Calcium. Inert atmosphere. High temp.
Read the thread.
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In the Holleman Wiberg(best book of inorganic chemistry in austria) is written that ThO2 would react with CCl4 or AlX3(X = Cl, Br or I) at higher
temperatures to ThX4
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Ok, thanks. Could I reduce it with lithium? I can't find a figure for how much ThO2 would be in a single mantle, but I guess around 1/8 gram.
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I think so.
Btw are your mantles used?
When not, couldnt you just soak them in water sinc they are made with Th(NO3)4 and get the salt?
[Edited on 3-1-2018 by The Austrian Scientist]
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Good point. I was going to burn them because I thought the oxide would be more useable.
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Also often they contain up to 1% Ce(NO3)4
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And in later ones possibly Y.
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Does anyone know if a carbonate leach (like is often used in uranium chemistry) could be used on the ThO2?
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No
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Yeah, thought not.
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