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[*] posted on 6-11-2017 at 17:12
Unidentified gunk on sodium in white spirit


I've just dug out my chunk of sodium to give it a little inspection and I thought I'd ask to see what this strange red 'gel' is. I've known about it since it started forming a couple of months after I bought the chunk, which was about a year and a half to two years ago. I store it in a regular jam jar with a screw on aluminium top, it has leaked over time because the level of white spirit is down a third to a half but the metal itself is still quite lustrous so not much air has penetrated the solvent. The WS I'm using states 'Aliphatic hydrocarbons - 30% and more & aromatic hydrocarbons - 15% or over but less than 30%' and also mentions that it 'contains naphtha hydrosulfurized heavy'. I have suspicions that it's the superoxide due to its colour but it could be something else, here's a picture (the flash seems to have lightened it slightly, the colour is more of a blend between rust and orange juice).

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[*] posted on 8-11-2017 at 17:02


Possibly caused by aldol condensation.
This can happen if you have a ketone, such as acetone, and a aldehyde, such as benzaldehyde or acetaldehyde, and they react under alkaline conditions.

How does the stuff react with water?




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[*] posted on 9-11-2017 at 03:16


The substance dissolves somewhat in water, turning to a light, cloudy yellow solution. With pH paper, the solution gives a value above 11, so I'm expecting some hydroxide to have formed. Adding saturated copper nitrate solution, the yellow colour disappears and a gelatinous precipitate of copper hydroxide drops out.

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[*] posted on 10-11-2017 at 04:42


Alkali metals are just such fun to store long term. I have small samples of Lithium, Sodium and Potassium I have in an element collection. THe Potassium is stored in dried mineral oil under Argon and the oil still forms a yellow gel after a few months. The potassium does not have an oxide coat as the metal is clean and the small sphere in the picture has a crystalline appearance.

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[*] posted on 10-11-2017 at 11:58


I've always preferred potassium to sodium, it looks a lot prettier for one, but I got sodium because it's so much cheaper and readily available. Seems like it's the same anion responsible because that's the exact colour of my contaminant and my sodium doesn't have any notable corrosion either. Although I do have quite a bright red patch on the underside of the chunk and it is somewhat whitish, a microscopic layer of oxide/hydroxide but just look at the contrast with the (shaken) yellow precipitate.

Oh yeah, I'm going to test the stuff again, this time with MnO2. If it is the superoxide or peroxide, they react with water to form hydrogen peroxide so oxygen bubbles will be the giveaway.

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