Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Black Sugar?
YT2095
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1091
Registered: 31-5-2003
Location: Just left of Europe and down a bit.
Member Is Offline

Mood: within Nominal Parameters

[*] posted on 8-2-2007 at 10:43
Black Sugar?


this is in here for a more than evident reason (I have no idea what I`m on about)

I`ve read about Optical rotation of sugars (boiling in HCl etc...)

now when you have 2 polarized films/plates in the same polarity light passes through.
rotate one plate by 90 degrees and it goes Black, No light passes.
(think LCD principal for watches).

would it be possible to make polarized sugar crystals where the combined effect would APPEAR as Black Sugar?




\"In a world full of wonders mankind has managed to invent boredom\" - Death
Twinkies don\'t have a shelf life. They have a half-life! -Caine (a friend of mine)
View user's profile View All Posts By User
unionised
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 5126
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 8-2-2007 at 11:01


No, or at least I very much doubt it.
Polarising filters work by selectively absorbing light polarised in one direction. Sugar has no chromophore to absorb (visible) light. It cannot, therefore be made into a polariser.
Also, different wavelengths of light are rotated by different extents so you would get one colour selectively absorbed. Black would need absorbtion at all wavelengths.
The optical rotation also depends on the pathlength. All the sugar crystals would need to be exactly the right size for the rotation to be exactly 90 degrees.

Pity really, because it would look really neat to have a colourless solution giving black crystal when the water evaporated.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
WWGroove
Harmless
*




Posts: 7
Registered: 8-2-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 8-2-2007 at 15:28


I suppose you know about sugar and H2SO4 and I'm talking rubbish.
Sugar appear black,still sweet.
Not what you're after ,for sure

[Edited on 8-2-2007 by WWGroove]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
WWGroove
Harmless
*




Posts: 7
Registered: 8-2-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 8-2-2007 at 15:53


I put a g. of sugar,few drops H2SO4 in a petri.Yellow
Microwave 2 sec., is black,but not sugar anymore.

There is a candy industry process to make black sugar.No colors added.
Not sure if after hydrolysis and recrist. get to black sugar.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Ozone
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1269
Registered: 28-7-2005
Location: Good Olde USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Integrated

[*] posted on 8-2-2007 at 16:35


Actually, yes, color is "added" by making it in-situ. The sugar is heated at high solids loading, viz. _>_50% in the presence of an amino acid. The subsequent series of reactions, aka. the "Maillard rxn" takes place to first:

1. make some caramel which is largely composed of hydroxymethylfurfura which then hydrolyzes into levulinic and formic acids lowering the pH.

2. The lower pH and high temperature _>_95°C lead to sucrose inversion and a greater amount of feed for the Maillard reaction, viz. glucose and fructose.

The color can be controlled by reaction conditions to yield anywhere from light yellow to black. The color is actually *mostly* a condensation product of reducing sugar and amino acid; the upper molecularweight is ~20,000, or so. The darker you get, the less sugar you have.

The colored polymer (and increaseed invert content) also tends to disrupt crystallization (presumably in the usual way) making crystallization processes tricky and low yielding. What you might see would be color occluded into the crystals *or* added back in (mother liquor, molasses) and dried.

Never seen or heard of the stuff myself, we are usually shooting for "refined white" at least EU #2 with an ICUMSA color _< 40 (preferably ~20).

Sweet!

O3




-Anyone who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
--Albert Einstein
View user's profile View All Posts By User
WWGroove
Harmless
*




Posts: 7
Registered: 8-2-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 9-2-2007 at 10:10


Try search "epifania carbone"
View user's profile View All Posts By User
WWGroove
Harmless
*




Posts: 7
Registered: 8-2-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 11-2-2007 at 17:01


Not pure sugar.
0.7Kg sugar 300ml water some acetic or citric acid. caramelize
add white egg,0.3 icing sugar,black food color if desired.Cool.break off.
If we belive Shulgin,then is chemistry.
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top