mirgp
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Whistle mix with potassium persulfate and potassium benzoate?
Potassium perchlorate is illegal where I live and i was wondering if potassium persulfate would be a suitable alternative. I have used potassium
persulfate in magnesium flash powder before and its suprisingly stable.
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No. Persulfate is not a good oxidizer for organic fuels. It's not even very good for aluminium, only magnesium and magnalium works well.
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Quote: Originally posted by Dornier 335A  | | No. Persulfate is not a good oxidizer for organic fuels. It's not even very good for aluminium, only magnesium and magnalium works well.
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Oh ok that some interesting information. Do you know what could be a suitable oxidizer for potassium benzoate?
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Na-O-SO2-O-O-SO2-O-Na is a relavively strong oxydiser ...
but a weak oxygen provider except with a strong reducer what is able to take the oxygen out of the sulfate (like Mg and eventually Al if very
(ultra-nano)fine and dendritic for very intimate mixing of fuel (reducer) and oxydiser).
Most organic reducer will play with the following
Na2S2O8 --> Na2SO4 + SO2 + O2 <==> Na2SO4 + SO3 + 1/2 O2
Thus 1 to 2 mole equivalent O/mole
Strong reducers will play ultimately with the following
Na2S2O8 --> Na2S + SO2 + 3 O2 <==> Na2S + S(2-) + 4 O2
Thus 6 to 8 mole equivalent O2/mole...but it needs high initiation temperature (see sulfate thermites).
I have eard of an incident into a tiny plant (hair products factory) I was working in; about NH4 persulfate powder mixed with other ingredients (for
hair bleaching or for oxydation after thiol (thioacetic acid, thioglycol, thiopropanoic acid) hair "permanent treatment") that was comprimed after
years into discrete part of an automatic filler and thus mixed with greases...metals... and it suddently deflagrated and initiated a strong fire into
the machine and the powder it was working with...the fire was very localized and stopped once the 500g powder bag (the unarmed worker was busy with)
had burned off.
So for K or Na benzoate, only the first route will prevail and it would require a lot of oxydiser vs fuel to acheive a combustion/deflagration...and
this is bad news since this means less heat per volume/weight and a lot of dead weight to heat up.
Whistle mix needs a lot of heat for benzoate break down and it uses chlorates what combines good and fast O2 release/mole at moderate temperature.
PH Z (PHILOU Zrealone)
"Physic is all what never works; Chemistry is all what stinks and explodes!"-"Life that deadly disease, sexually transmitted."(W.Allen)
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