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Anyone else interestead in extracting chemicals from plant material?
I was wondering if anyone else enjoys chemicals from plant and natural materials, there dosnt seem to be much interest in this area. I know its not
exactly cutting edge or makes big bangs, and it dosnt involve a great deal of skill, but does anyone else enjoy this aspect of chemistry?
My interest is in the extraction and then i would like to separate out via TLC to see how many compounds i had managed to extract.
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What the... I created a post 20min after this one about the same thing...
I started writing t before this one was posted, because I did something in the middle of posting it, so it seems that we both though about posting
basically the same thing at the same moment...
If somebody could please merge both posts?
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LOl I have replied to your post in the other section, i have uploaded a couple of papers for you, i will try and find some of the papers i downloaded
to try the extractions in them
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Lutin looks interesting, the paper details super critical extraction which i dont intend to do, but i think the paper is useful anyway.
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I found a copy of a different version of the modern herbal i have, but it should give you a good idea of what some common plants contain. you can
download it here
http://krishikosh.egranth.ac.in/bitstream/1/2027789/1/150721...
Great someone else is into this aspect of chemistry!! Is a bit boring doing stuff and not having someone to share the info with  . I guess its not a particularly interesting area for most, but its fairly cheap and
easy so ticks my box's .
Just looked at some of your other posts, i am not into any of the other stuff. If its ok with you i would rather just be involved with plant stuff
. some of your other posts are a bit 'out there' for me no offense.
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ooops mis identified you! I just looked at the titles of threads you posted in, sorry my bad! I thought you were the author of some of the erm odd
ones.
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Eugenol looks like the kind of chemical that would be under some DEA watchlist.
Getting chamber to perform supercritical CO2 extractions would be nice, I know AppliedScience made one in his channel with acrilic, and another one
with piping (https://youtu.be/2wkgBPk0DWg) however its another of those things that im quite scared to do. Maybe ill try to build one, going to a metallic
workshop, but they will probably look at me with strange faces when I explain what I want, and what I want to do with it.
Ill have a look at the papers you posted later when I have more time, they see interesting.
What do you mean with "out there" D: The only stuff I have been interested in doing is making beautiful crystals and extracting stuff from plants,
making crystals doesnt seem crazy. (Unless you dont mean crazy with out there, not entirelly sure if that is the meaning either, im not a native
english speaker)
Edit oh wait the next post explains why you said out there 
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Quote: Originally posted by ficolas  | Eugenol looks like the kind of chemical that would be under some DEA watchlist.
Getting chamber to perform supercritical CO2 extractions would be nice, I know AppliedScience made one in his channel with acrilic, and another one
with piping (https://youtu.be/2wkgBPk0DWg) however its another of those things that im quite scared to do. Maybe ill try to build one, going to a metallic
workshop, but they will probably look at me with strange faces when I explain what I want, and what I want to do with it.
Ill have a look at the papers you posted later when I have more time, they see interesting.
What do you mean with "out there" D: The only stuff I have been interested in doing is making beautiful crystals and extracting stuff from plants,
making crystals doesnt seem crazy. (Unless you dont mean crazy with out there, not entirelly sure if that is the meaning either, im not a native
english speaker)
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No sorry i appologize, i mistook you for the author of some of the more 'strange' threads you had posted in, after reading a couple of your replies i
realized you were not the odd one . My mistake
The modern herbal link i posted is a good one, i didnt think of the DEA as i am in the UK, its a shame spices and herbs mixed with a solvent suddenly
become something you can be locked up for!
What i was actually looking for was chemicals from plants i could get crystals from, such as menthol and eugenol. I like crystals but wanted some more
uncommon ones as opposed to copper sulphate etc.
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Wow a non native speaker! seriously i would have never known, your English is exceptional.
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...ummm... am I missing something here?
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I dont know? I think the thread makes sense if you read it?? It may possibly help if you read a thread in general chemistry started by ficolus.
But apart from that the question was simply to see who liked this aspect of chemistry.
this might help you understand some of the comments in this thread.
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=66476
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Sorry, my mistake. I didn't see ficolas' posts so I thought it was a whole thread of you talking to yourself. Now I feel super dumb.
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| Quote: Originally posted by NitreRat | Sorry, my mistake. I didn't see ficolas' posts so I thought it was a whole thread of you talking to yourself. Now I feel super dumb.
[Edited on 6/9/2016 by NitreRat] |
Thats ok, i guess without the link to the original thread that prompted ficoas response, it does seem a bit odd! It feels like i am talking to myself
at times anyway .
Nothing to feel dumb about!! trust me no one does dumb as much as i do 
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Some stuff I did and am doing; Okay so Iodine from seaweed is HARD. I tried that, it smelled. Nitrates from compost aren't hard, but you get low
yields, and it requires lots of patience. I only got a fraction of a gram of Nitrate from a pound of compost crap.
Currently doing menthol from mint. The yields are LOW.
Next I'll be doing Oxalic acid from skunk cabbage, and Salicylic acid from Willow bark.
Ps; the mint leaves have this wierd tendancy to turn brown and start breaking down after only a few hours in the solvent.
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The modern herbal link i posted is a good one, i didnt think of the DEA as i am in the UK, its a shame spices and herbs mixed with a solvent suddenly
become something you can be locked up for!
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I dont usually think about the DEA either, but its usually what people talk about when refering to the legality of a substance. And I dont really know
if eugenol is really in a watchlist, I just think it could be used as a precursor to MDMA just for the looks of it, I dont know that much about this
side of chemistry
Thanks! Im spanish, but I have been learning english since I was like 5, and I
mess arround the english side of the internet much more than in the spanish side, since it usually has way more information.
| Quote: Originally posted by Daffodile | Some stuff I did and am doing; Okay so Iodine from seaweed is HARD. I tried that, it smelled. Nitrates from compost aren't hard, but you get low
yields, and it requires lots of patience. I only got a fraction of a gram of Nitrate from a pound of compost crap.
Currently doing menthol from mint. The yields are LOW.
Next I'll be doing Oxalic acid from skunk cabbage, and Salicylic acid from Willow bark.
Ps; the mint leaves have this wierd tendancy to turn brown and start breaking down after only a few hours in the solvent. |
I have arround 150kg of turkey poo that has been laying arround for arround 2 years, I should be able to extract nitrates from there, I'll try to do a
big batch in a metal bucket, however I dont know how I will boil a whole bucket of poo... Ok yeah maybe not that of a good idea to do it in a big
scale.
The oxalic acid and salicylig acid sound nice, however I dont have access to any of those plants.
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Interesting.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Daffodile | Some stuff I did and am doing; Okay so Iodine from seaweed is HARD. I tried that, it smelled. Nitrates from compost aren't hard, but you get low
yields, and it requires lots of patience. I only got a fraction of a gram of Nitrate from a pound of compost crap.
Currently doing menthol from mint. The yields are LOW.
Next I'll be doing Oxalic acid from skunk cabbage, and Salicylic acid from Willow bark.
Ps; the mint leaves have this wierd tendancy to turn brown and start breaking down after only a few hours in the solvent.
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I have been wondering about iodine from seaweed. I know its normally burnt, but i was wondering if it was dried a fair bit if adding conc sulphuric
too it to carbonize and then heat it?? wash the acid off and heat, then maybe sublime the iodine.......
Having read it now i have typed it, it dosnt seem such a good idea.
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The modern herbal link again
http://krishikosh.egranth.ac.in/bitstream/1/2027789/1/150721...
Some good ideas in there i might try. My mint is still drying, some went moldy as my home made desiccator had a leak!
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Page 77 of the link,Apricot kernals, here is an extract from the text.
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Constituents.
Apricot kernels yield by ex-pression 40 to 50 percent. of a fixed oil,similar to that which occurs in the sweet almond and in the peach kernel,
consisting chiefly of Olein, with a small proportion of the Glyceride of Linolic acid, and commonly sold as Peach Kernel oil. From the cake is
distilled, by digestion with alcohol, an essential oil (Ol.
Amygdce Essent.Pers.) which contains a colourless, crystalline glucoside, Amygdalin, and is chemically identical with that of the bitter almond. The
essential oil is used in confectionery and as a culinary flavouring. "
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"Cody's lab" youtube channel has a nice video where he isolates iodine from seaweed.
I have tried it also last summer and even though I got a species of seaweed that is supposed to be relatively high in iodine (fucus vesiculosus), I
got a tiny yield. Cody must have been really lucky with the weeds he collected, or his procedure was far more efficient than mine.
I dried a few kg of seaweed in the sun, burned it, leached the ashes with water, concentrated the leachate by boiling it down to saturation, then
cooled with ice and added concentrated sulphuric acid and hydrogen peroxide. It yielded a visible amount, but it must have been a few mg at most. Just
enough to have a visible (and olfactory) confirmation of having made a little iodine, but not a useful amount.
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From some of the reading i have done it seems time of year plays a part. In the UK this seems to be June, so i better get down to the beach!! Not sure
a car full of seaweed will go down well though .
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Since it is planting season does anyone have any suggestions on what would be advantageous to get in the ground now? I still have 100-120 days of
prime growing season, possibly 150 depending on the weather this year. Lots of prime garden space and exceptional soil.
I'd like to try some of the "medicinal's" but here they are not yet legal.
I'd love to get some extracts for soaps possibly methanol or mint extract but don't know what the best mint is to plant. Capsacium is also something
that would be fun - anyone know the best pepper for this?
I'm wondering about some plants from the Nightshade family like dauntra, Jimson's weed, Angle Trumpet, etc - they all have some interesting alkaloids.
Anyone know some good info on this?
I also remember something about Salvia divinorum and Foxglove as having some extractable alkaloids, both of which could possibly be dangerous if used
inappropriately.
Fennel and nutmeg may also be of interest if trying to extract some things.
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Try sugarbeet! It's actually quite difficult to get a good clean sucrose from it at home but it also has betaine.
Anyone tried quinine from the bark? I do fancy making my own tonic.
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Capsacium is also something that would be fun - anyone know the best pepper for this? |
Carolina reapers have the guiness world record in the most spicy pepper, so probably that one. However from a softer pepper like cayenes, you can also
get a nice extract. I used vodka and cayenes to do it in food grade, and it was pretty cool, it made foods spicy without adding flavour. I ordered
some pepper seeds from ebay, and now I have arround 10 carolina reaper plants (Arrond 25 seeds got me 20something plats, wow) a bhut joloka (I
mispelled that for sure, 25 seeds 1 plant) and cayenes, so when they grow ill try with the carolina reapers to see if I get a better purity, or just a
bigger amount.
What about aromatic plants? Like lavender, rosemary, etc.
Nutmeg... uhh. It is said that in big dosis, its a psychoactive drug, that between his effects there are allucinations, and severe paranoia, and a big
dose is like 2 whole nuts. Probably legal to concentrate, because who would want to be high on that shit.
And angle trumpets contains scopolamine hydrobromide, a drug used in rapes, because basically, people do whatever they are told to when very high on
this substance. There is an angel trumpet in my garden, but there is no way im extracting stuff from that plant for obvious legal reasons. I think
other nightshade plants also have this compound, and belladone too, not sure about this thought.
Quinine from sugarbeet seems interesting even more if done food grade
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some pepper papers, i have some better ones.......somewhere!
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