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[*] posted on 14-3-2016 at 00:38
degraded MgO


I've been having problems with MgO. It seems to react easily with CO2 in the air and becomes the carbonate. I've had some however, that doesn't seem to degrade real easily.

I just received about 2 lbs. that seems to be pretty badly degraded -- it fizzes alot when adding it to (ascorbic) acid. I'm using it make Mg Ascorbate.

In looking to buy MgO I saw that there are quite a few different types. I'm wondering if there's a type that is purer and degrades slower?

I don't want to use the carbonate because, as it loses CO2, it becomes too alkaline and it's hard to adjust it correctly. (I'm keeping it in solution)

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[*] posted on 15-3-2016 at 07:24


Why don't you just calcine MgO? It guaranteedly turns any carbonate impurities back into the oxide.



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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 05:12


How would you do that? Just heat it up in a metal pan on a gas stove? I wouldn't know how to measure the temperature to keep it in the light burned range.
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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 06:08


Yeah, a metal pan and a gas stove will do. Don't worry about the temperature, you can't overdo it: MgO does not decompose.



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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 07:52


You'll need minimum 350 C for a prolonged time to calcine MgCO3 to CO2-free MgO.

Absorption of CO2 by MgO probably depends on how long it was calcined for, as most metal oxides become more inert on longer calcining.

That's why home made MgO is probably more prone to CO2 absorption than commercial grades.

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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 08:14


Why is it a problem if there is some carbonate in the MgO? If I were to make Mg-citrate from it, I would add a slight excess amount of the MgO/MgCO3 and allow it to stand for a day or so. MgO and MgCO3 are only very sparingly soluble and in the solution with a lot of Mg(2+) ions it will even be less soluble. No need to have precise stoichiometric ratios for this reaction.



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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 09:03


Yes, for preparing any Mg salt some MgCO3 contamination is irrelevant.



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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 12:17


The problem with using MgCO3 for ascorbate in solution is that the pH doesn't remain constant. The pH increases as the solution loses CO2 and can become too alkaline.
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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 12:23


I've read that dead burned MgO is unreactive. Does that mean that it won't react with acids, or that it just reacts more slowly?
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[*] posted on 16-3-2016 at 13:02


Quote: Originally posted by soma  
The problem with using MgCO3 for ascorbate in solution is that the pH doesn't remain constant. The pH increases as the solution loses CO2 and can become too alkaline.



Not really. MgCO3 dissolves in acids with release of CO2. Because ascorbic acid is a weak acid, allow some time and heat mildly if possible.




Quote: Originally posted by soma  
I've read that dead burned MgO is unreactive. Does that mean that it won't react with acids, or that it just reacts more slowly?


Many oxides do become very inert on hard and prolonged calcining. Whether this is also true for MgO I do not know.




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