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Chemical Tanker Seen on Highway
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The other day I was driving right behind a huge tanker truck of liquified N20. I just thought it kind of a funny thing to see. |
I thought it would be interesting to have a thread for reporting highway chemical transport that seemed interesting. Recently I saw a tanker truck of
triethylamine, and a tanker truck of silane (SiH4), neither of which had I seen before. Neither had any placards that I noticed, but the contents
were clearly identified in large letters, especially for the silane. The silane was contained in long cylinders of truck bed length and 2-3 foot in
diameter.
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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AJKOER
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OK, your right that one may not have seen these before as I suspect they are usually transported by rail.
I heard recently on the news that their is a back log on rail shipments due to recent weather events in the US.
So, if one really needs these products to fill production orders, there is but little choice except to truck them.
My advice, sleep with your windows closed.
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Driving from Portland to Santa Barbara this March I passed a tanker truck carrying liquid hydrogen on interstate 5. I thought that was interesting.
What sort of customer uses so much hydrogen that cryogenic storage/transport are warranted, but not enough hydrogen that it's worthwhile installing
onsite production? On the drive back I saw an identical looking truck -- perhaps the same one by fortuitous timing.
Magpie, where did you see the silane truck? REC Silicon has produced silane in a Moses Lake facility since 1984, and they've expanded considerably in
the last few years.
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Magpie
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I believe I saw it near Ritzville - just off interstate 90.
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I saw a truck carrying tanks of BF3 in southern New York state. It was three long, relatively narrow tubes "stacked" in a triangular fashion with
space between them. All this affixed to the truck bed. I guess the design was to minimize loss in an accident or maybe to cope with the pressure.
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I have seen silane often here. It is always coming from the Montreal direction to Kanata which has lots of high tech manufacturing and it is in long
cylinders something like what unintentionalchaos mentioned except more cylinders on a truck and very long/thin.
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Not on the road, but when I was on an aircraft carrier for a week, I saw LOX carts everywhere.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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I've seen rail tankers of phosphoric acid (nothing as exotic or dangerous as silane) going past on the rail tracks a few blocks from where I live.
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as long as i have been driving trucks i have only seen 1 tanker of Bromine in New Mexico one time!
as dense as Br2 is its a small tanker smaller than those hauling sulfuric acide!
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We see pigs of UF6 around here all the time.
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I've seen trucks carrying molten sulfur from time to time.
Sulfur Information Service (Welcome to)
http://sulfur.nigc.ir/en/sulfurforms/liquidsulfur
Here's a molten aluminum truck.
http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~decker/alum.jpg
2 Die as Truck Spills Molten Metal on Car
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-22/news/mn-6845_1_truck-...
Molten Aluminum on the 2011 Hot Rod Magazine Power Tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhvm_VOOWC0
[Edited on 1-8-2014 by Morgan]
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I've seen molten sulfur in trucks a few times - that's how it's transferred before turned into sulfuric acid.
I've seen lots of liquefied nitrogen, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, and a few with pressurized oxygen - not liquefied though.
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I live near a site with various chemical plants, including the famous AirLiquide and CUF. I see all sort of liquified gases in trucks around the city.
However most of the scariest chemicals aren't labeled, they only have the ONU sign, IIRC.
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Why would you need to truck around molten aluminum? That seems like it'd be very hard to keep molten, and it's not like it's all that hard to melt
on-site.
Personally I've seen a few rail car tanks of NaOH (concentrated solution, I think), near where I live.
[Edited on 8-1-2014 by MrHomeScientist]
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Molten aluminum transport tidbits
"To save costs of reheating the aluminium is transported in its liquid status from the manufacturers to the casting house which in this case was
Daimler-Chrysler. The melting point of aluminium is about 600°C (1112°F). To allow transports of up to four and a half hours it's heated to 950°C
(1742°F)."
http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?23053-Molten-A...
More Molten Aluminum Trucked to Car Makers
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cen-v043n029.p027
Train Collides With Truck Hauling Molten Aluminum
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-05-01/news/90050157...
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MrHomeScientist
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Neat, thanks for the links Morgan.
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My company daily hauls about 200 tons of MnSO4 solution by tank trucks to customers who manufacture "Mancozeb" - a Manganese based Pesticide.
The same customers also receive CS2 and Ethylene Diamine by tank trucks.
gsd
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i think rail cars have a lot of interesting stuff too... molten phenol, phsophorus trichloride, sodium cyanide etc....
lots of nasties moving arround!
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gsd, have you thought about sneaking around and taking a liter or two of that carbon disulfide?
I saw a truck carrying some organic peroxide on the highway. I also saw silicon tetrachloride, and lots of anhydrous ammonia. Where I live, I really
don't see many exotic cargoes. I saw both of the ones mentioned above when I was driving through Louisiana.
Fear is what you get when caution wasn't enough.
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Seen some transport of liquid argon and hydrogen, apart from that there was nothing special.
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I have seen trucks carrying liquid helium and sulphur hexaflouride before.
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saw a refrigerated liquid CO2 tanker on I5 near artois yesterday while driving to work. nothing too special, but can't really say I have ever noticed
one before. the load was in a slightly smaller tank than you would see gasoline carried in. the outer shell was similar to a gas truck, but I am
pretty sure it was just an outer envelope holding insulation. as I imagine that much liquid CO2 could quickly be a bother if let out. it was
probably contained in a much more rigid inner container.
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That's weird but it makes sense. I have poored 1 L of molten Al into a can. It was glowing red. It was probably at 750 C.
It was liquid for quite a while.
Some Al companies have casts from the company and just poor the liquid Al directly into casts and then ship it. Imagine how much energy you save if
these companies were next to each other.
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"The demand for thermostat metals continued to grow in the 1980's and 1990's. The 36% nickel alloy has been found quite useful for containers used to
transport liquid natural gas on tankers. The alloy minimizes cryogenic shrinkage."
http://www.cartech.com/techarticles.aspx?id=1664
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I just saw a van with the attached symbol on it in the nearest village.
They were setting up racks and racks of 2' x 3" metal tubes with wires coming out of them.
A guy was stabbing a wooden stick into them all, repeatedly.
Likely to get Noisy later on.
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