nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
allyl isothiocyanate from allyl amine
I have aquired a large volume of allyl amine. Right now I have just under a liter and luckily its winter because it releases vapors in the fridge. I
need to get it out of here asap so I was thinking I would either sell it or make something out of it to sell. Allyl isothicyanate is the active
component of wusabi. I was thinking that maybe i could cook up some of this compound and sell it that way. Originally I wa trying to aquire that
compound for use in my wusabi experiments but it was dramatically over priced. The allyl amine was cheap and I figured it would be pretty fun to make
it myself from this hazardous liquid that smells like rubbery palstic and ammonia.
If anyone is intereted in taking this high grade allyl amine off of my hands please do so immediately. I have to get rid or it or neutralize it before
summer is here.
please... I paid over $200 for it to make some synthetic wusabi.
[Edited on 27-12-2013 by nanobot-dnp]
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
Ok i decided I fucked up with this purchase. It is now free (hopfully to a scientist who can use it or store it correctly)
If you are interested in this high purity allyl amine please pm me.
All you have to do is pay shipping or something since I cant afford to ship it.
its a around 900 ml if you want less than that let me know and ill see what I can do since I dont have any bottles will need to aquire them.
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
BromicAcid
International Hazard
Posts: 3247
Registered: 13-7-2003
Location: Wisconsin
Member Is Offline
Mood: Rock n' Roll
|
|
So you purchased it with the intention of making the isothiocyanate, but why have you abandoned that plan of action? Understandably the only method
of preparation I know to make isothiocyanates from amines involves thiophosgene which is not something most people want to work with, but then again
allylamine isn't health food either.
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
whe.. I figured that since the precoursors to allyl isothiocyanate where not available i would use this to make the precoursours then convert to
isothiocyanate. It was all a very STUPID idea I would say that I was not myself at the time... Oh well... This will be of use for someone else not for
me though... I cant even store it for much longer... Would like to sell it and get my money back but I would preffer just to see it vanish. I can't be
bothered with such a hazardous chemical.
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
Nicodem
Super Moderator
Posts: 4230
Registered: 28-12-2004
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by BromicAcid  | | Understandably the only method of preparation I know to make isothiocyanates from amines involves thiophosgene which is not something most people want
to work with, but then again allylamine isn't health food either. |
When starting from allylamine using thiophosgene might be unavoidable, but allyl isothiocyanate can be easily prepared by the sigmatropic
rearrangement of allyl thiocyanate (which itself is easily prepared from allyl halides).
Some aliphatic thiocyanates can also be thermally isomerized to the corresponding isothiocyanates, though via a different mechanism, and not
necessarily equally efficiently. Nevertheless, it is an alternative to starting from amines and using thiophosgene.
Also, the Ritter reaction of tert-alcohols (and other substrates that give stabilized carbocations) with thiocyanic acid gives the
isothiocyanates almost exclusively.
For a review on the rearrangement and other reactions leading to isothiocyanates, see:
Isothiocyanates in Heterocyclic Synthesis, S. Sharma (google-books link)
…there is a human touch of the cultist “believer” in every theorist that he must struggle against as being
unworthy of the scientist. Some of the greatest men of science have publicly repudiated a theory which earlier they hotly defended. In this lies their
scientific temper, not in the scientific defense of the theory. - Weston La Barre (Ghost Dance, 1972)
Read the The ScienceMadness Guidelines!
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
Um...
I must have been delusional when I bought it because I thought that I would be able to make a lot more money selling allyl isothiocyanate... I checked
out that book and it has pretty much everything I would need to proceed with that experiment without screwing myself over... thanks
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
I appologize for bringing this up again but it seems no one is interested in buying it or accepting it as a free donation so my other options are go
out into a feild and light it on fire... (fun) Or make something that doesnt fume out of it. Does anyone have any idea what I could do with this crap?
and no...
i light it on fire in a feild or i pour it out into the sewer... i want it gone...
Seriously no one has a lab that they might be interested in this bottle of shit? i can take pic with that days news paper... if ur that real...
ill end up dumping it if no one wants it... ill hold onto it until winters almost up...
[Edited on 2-1-2014 by nanobot-dnp]
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
plante1999
International Hazard
Posts: 1936
Registered: 27-12-2010
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as a hatter
|
|
I have ideas, seriously, but I would like to know the price of shipping to Canada and get pictures of the bottle.
I would be glad to shelter it.
I never asked for this.
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by plante1999 | I have ideas, seriously, but I would like to know the price of shipping to Canada and get pictures of the bottle.
I would be glad to shelter it. |
You seriously want a picture of a bottle of clear liquid? I don't want you to shelter it I need you to take it from me... I don't give a shit what you
do with it but I don't wanna let it go to waste...
Shipping to canada? After all the shit im going to do to it? (that sounds malicious... I meant for it to sound meticulous...) it would be around $50
bucks I can always refund you the difference or take a loss...
Still up for suggestions in reguards to what I could easily do to the allyl amine to get something more stable from it... Possibly a reagent that
people would like to buy from me on ebay...
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
plante1999
International Hazard
Posts: 1936
Registered: 27-12-2010
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as a hatter
|
|
It is more for the label then else.
I never asked for this.
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
there is no lable and not in original bottle. I can tell you how it smells! its clear like water smells like slightly burnt rubber / plastic /
ammonia. flamable.
I dont blame you if not interested... What would you do with it if you DID get it?
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
plante1999
International Hazard
Posts: 1936
Registered: 27-12-2010
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as a hatter
|
|
Actually, I don't really know, polymerize it or chlorinate it. I do not have anything really planned.
I never asked for this.
|
|
|
Random
International Hazard
Posts: 1120
Registered: 7-5-2010
Location: In ur closet
Member Is Offline
Mood: Energetic
|
|
Well why couldn't you keep it as hydrochloride salt?
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
OH YEAH!!
THANK YOU i forgot all about the HCl salt or what ever it was I was trying to buy a year or two ago...
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
IrC
International Hazard
Posts: 2710
Registered: 7-3-2005
Location: Eureka
Member Is Offline
Mood: Discovering
|
|
After looking at your posts on this site, especially your latest one about Jesus and organic eating nanobots (detritus bound no doubt), I have to say
you should not be trusted with a banana let alone dangerous chemicals.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" Richard Feynman
|
|
|
nanobot-dnp
Harmless
Posts: 28
Registered: 9-11-2013
Member Is Offline
Mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvEmjHdeqQ
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by IrC | After looking at your posts on this site, especially your latest one about Jesus and organic eating nanobots (detritus bound no doubt), I have to say
you should not be trusted with a banana let alone dangerous chemicals.
|
I enjoy you... Thank you too...
evil twists what is already there
|
|
|
![[*]](images/xpblue/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
