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Finnnicus
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Australia (*Facepalm*)
UGH! I know I live in a great country 'n' all, but some times.... (see mood). I am wondering on how to obtain acids, particularly OTC, not to make!
I'm fine with refining tho.
Thanks, and my condolences to my fellow aussies.
BTW: Phosphoric acid is an easy get.
EDIT: I have UTFSE, but the threads are old, and possibly outdated.
[Edited on 29-4-2013 by Finnnicus]
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Lawrencium
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Anything specific that you're after?
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Sulfuric acid that I have is currently molmar "mo-flo" brand drain cleaner which I found in a hardware store, however it is dyed a brown colour which,
despite my best efforts, I cannot get rid of.
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elementcollector1
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Hydrogen peroxide and heat?
Elements Collected:52/87
Latest Acquired: Cl
Next in Line: Nd
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Yeah, if you have the peroxide to waste, it does work. Boil the acid heavily. This will help "clump" together some of the impurities, then cool the
acid and add it dropwise to some 12% H2O2 with agressive cooling. should clear it up a bit. AFAIK, the dye doesnt hurt most reactions, though.
[Edited on 29-4-2013 by Bot0nist]
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weeeeeell
FeCl3 > HCl + Fe2O3 IIRC
apparently FeCl3 is bound to .. i think 6 water atoms, making it form HCl and not Cl2
i would say its worth a try, also very very concentrated gas of HCl you get.. bubbled the gas through a little bit of water to get a lower conc. of
HCl..
just thought this was needed to be added as FeCl3 shouldnt be hard to get (PCB etchant) and should be possible to do with decent destillation setup or
just hose connected to a flask
H2SO4 ~37% ~1.27m is available at stores where you buy stuff for cars so to say ''battery acid'' they usually call it..
i believe worldwide the max concentration you can get this as is 50%, also this ive seen sold in large quanities for pools, 50% also..
HCl aka muriatic acid aswell for pools
HNO3 OTC is usually abit harder (because we all know theres terrorists luring around every SINGLE corner)
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Finnnicus
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HCl, and H2SO4 mostly... but any other nice OTC things would be good too.
BTW: I have been questioned about the intent of purchase when buying CuSO4 drain opener LOL.
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I think the standard response for sourcing HCI and H2SO4 is to go to your local hardware store, but it's not always so easy in Australia. Both were
once commonly seen on hardware shelves but not so much anymore. I can still buy both locally but when I first started stocking up my lab again after
an international move, I reckon I visited more than 10 different hardware stores before I found what I needed.
Bunnings and Home Timber & Hardware both sell Hydrochloric. Home T&H also sell Molmar "mo-flo" branded Sulphuric which was mentioned by
DrSchnufflez. I only mention these suppliers as they have a fairly large store range in Aus, but I guess the key is to not give up and keep checking
all of your local OTC suppliers. I'm struggling myself to find a local supply of Nitric and currently have to make my own.
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Here in Canada we can get 34.51% HCl in hardware stores OTC, and 92%-96% H2SO4 OTC hardware stores as drain cleaner. Yes, our drain cleaner is also
dyed brown but that never worried me yet.
As far as HNO3 (nitric acid,) it's impossible to find unless you are a school or someone in the industry. I have not seen it sold OTC. I am new to
chemistry as a hobby and my next major purchase will be a distillery kit so I can make 70% HNO3 from my H2SO4 and KNO3. Luckily, KNO3 is still easy
to find here thank god. We even can synth NaNO3 from drain cleaner as well with a bit of work but it's really getting tough now that they put the Al
pieces in the drain cleaner.
[Edited on 30-4-2013 by binaryclock]
Current Project: Playing with my new Laboy advanced distillery kit!
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Ozzies are welcome to pm me for any equipment and LR or AR grade requests.
Payment by PayPal and forwarded to nominated postal address.
EDIT: Please include volumes/sizes so I can reply with a quote to your pm's.
[Edited on 30-4-2013 by Doc B]
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CuSO4 and HCl are an easy buy from Mitre 10 but H2SO4 eludes me so much here in Aus.
And goddamn the shipping prices for everything from the internet!
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Campbells sell H2SO4 in 4-5L jugs, but you have to find a way to access them. The alternative is oxidation of sulfurous acid - use impure chemicals,
ie. store bought HCl and hypochlorite to make Cl2, then oxidize sulfurous acid to sulfuric acid and nice clean HCl can be added to distilled water.
I've made sulfurous acid using store-bought HCl and dripped it on sodium metabisulphite and dissolved the SO2 in distilled water. Make it clean and
you can have faith in the purity of your reagents.
Trying to find Phosphorus Pentoxide is a joke, I'm beginning to think it is unobtanium without making it oneself which would be quite an adventure.
[Edited on 30-4-2013 by aliced25]
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DrSchnufflez
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Has anyone tried to purchase chemicals in Australia from Haines educational? I've been thinking about it for a while as some of their prices seem
quite reasonable to me.
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Lawrencium
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Quote: Originally posted by DrSchnufflez  | Has anyone tried to purchase chemicals in Australia from Haines educational? I've been thinking about it for a while as some of their prices seem
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Their website says that "We supply chemicals to educational institutions and approved account holders only." I emailed them asking how one becomes an
approved account holder but never received a response back from them.
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binaryclock
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"approved account holders only" usually means people in the industry or people who have been bonded by the government as way of a license to acquire
certain chemicals.
Current Project: Playing with my new Laboy advanced distillery kit!
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Doc B
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LR and AR HNO3 70%, H2SO4 96-98%, etc are like most reagents and equipment are no problem just pm me volumes/sizes and i'll quote you but Aliced25
that's a good one! I know I have phosphoric (v) oxide and vanadium pentoxide but phosphorous pentoxide... Hmmmm if you really want it I'm going to
have to check the crypt for that one.
DrSchnufflez and Lawrencium...
Haines do have excellent prices but as they mainly carter to education institutions with large orders, even the approved account holders that only
wants 500ml HNO3 and a beaker might find it difficult to get service.
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H2SO4
H2SO4 is relatively easy.
Clark Rubber, pool shops and others sell it as non-fuming pool acid, at around 30%.
My main complaint is that it comes in 20l pots, which was a good deal more than I could use for anodising. In the end I declined on the basis of not
wanting a disposal problem, but if you have a mate with a pool I'm sure you could do some kind of deal.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DrSchnufflez | Has anyone tried to purchase chemicals in Australia from Haines educational? I've been thinking about it for a while as some of their prices seem
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Not chemicals per se, but I did buy some nickel electrodes, a sep funnel and a bunch of other stuff. Postage was really slow 
@OP: Not to worry for I also live in australia and just recently I bought "maximum power" drain cleaner,which as far as I can tell is pure 98%
sulfuric acid. I bought it from the plumbing supplies co-op, whos website can be found here: www.pscoop.com.au/. They have quite a few stores around Australia.
Incidently, I also bought "100%" methyl-ethyl ketone here which came with a red colourant, but I simply distilled off the MEK, so that wasn't a
problem.
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Lawrencium
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I followed up with Haines again yesterday after replying to this thread and got the following response back from them this morning.
" We basically only supply and deliver chemicals to schools and businesses.
We get too many requests for chemicals from people who want to use them to produce contraband.
Sorry, maybe try Science Supply or Westlab. "
Basically what Doc B has already stated but I thought I would share for anyone interested...
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Finnnicus
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Doc B, I would live to buy from you, but the price is too high for me! I you have money to spend, He is the one to give it to!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lawrencium | I followed up with Haines again yesterday after replying to this thread and got the following response back from them this morning.
" We basically only supply and deliver chemicals to schools and businesses.
We get too many requests for chemicals from people who want to use them to produce contraband.
Sorry, maybe try Science Supply or Westlab. "
Basically what Doc B has already stated but I thought I would share for anyone interested... |
I'm a bit late to the discussion but I thought I'd ask... does anyone have any experience or knowledge of Science Supply? Their site is interesting,
but I'm wary of ordering from a website that references Breaking Bad in their lab equipment section.
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Finnnicus
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Why? That just makes them cooler!
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Well, I admit I gave it a smile when I saw it.
I might give them a go soon, I'm interested in trying out their PTFE tubing distillation apparatus.
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Finnnicus
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Tell us how it's goes! 
~Respect the chemistry.
~I am the one who knocks.
[Edited on 9-5-2013 by Finnnicus]
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| Quote: Originally posted by RobertRobinson75 | | Quote: Originally posted by Lawrencium | I followed up with Haines again yesterday after replying to this thread and got the following response back from them this morning.
" We basically only supply and deliver chemicals to schools and businesses.
We get too many requests for chemicals from people who want to use them to produce contraband.
Sorry, maybe try Science Supply or Westlab. "
Basically what Doc B has already stated but I thought I would share for anyone interested... |
I'm a bit late to the discussion but I thought I'd ask... does anyone have any experience or knowledge of Science Supply? Their site is interesting,
but I'm wary of ordering from a website that references Breaking Bad in their lab equipment section. |
I have experience with them, I bought 2 mercury thermometers and a basic disillation setup that did not require an EUD. And I didn't catch the
breaking bad reference
Heres the link to what I bought:
http://sciencesupply.com.au/shop/organic-chemistry-kits/147-...
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