AndersHoveland
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CFL bulbs: not a bright idea!
 
_______bad compact fluorescent bulb _______________________normal incandescent bulb ______________
Repeal of law that will soon ban regular light bulbs fails
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/12/light-bulb-repeal-r...
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/12/nation/la-na-light-b...
The USA has already passed legislation that is already in the process of making the sale or manufacture of normal incandescent lightbulbs
[B]illegal[/B]. Several congressmen attempted to overturn the ban, but failed to obtain the necessary two-thirds majority.
This is completely ridiculous, the government telling people what products they are not allowed to use. There is nothing wrong with incandescent
bulbs. The government should not have any right to force people to use a different product just because they want to force people to use less energy!
Someone who is careful to turn off their incandescent lights when they are not in the room is still using [I]less[/I] energy than someone with
"energy-saving" lights who leaves all the lights in their house on. What is next, is the government going to force Americans to install motion
detectors to automatically turn off lights when no one is in the room?
I absolutely HATE fluorescent lights that the government is trying to push on everyone. The light has an eery tint, and it is more difficult
for me to concentrate because there is actually high frequency flickering, although most people are unable to consciously discern this. And of course,
some people with pets or small children are concerned about the mercury vapor that could be released if the lightbulb breaks (and it typically
does break when put in the trash, realistically not many people are going to properly dispose of these new bulbs).
The only alternative, LED lighting, is even more efficient than fluorescent, but is unfortunately ridiculously expensive (60 dollars for a
bulb that would match the light output of a 75 Watt incandescent bulb).
I imagine this lightbulb ban could spawn a thriving black market in the USA. Perhaps we will even see violence associated with organised light bulb
crime! :razz:
I think the liberal environmental mantra says it all: "Live more simply so that all may live". If the impact of my using incandescent bulbs is too
intolerable on the environment, I say perhaps there are just TOO MANY PEOPLE on the earth. These environmentalists should start
focusing on population control instead of the regulation invassion on my home.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/lightbul...
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCZ9LpSHLgo
Here are the relevent excerpts from the abominable law:
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(ii) INTERMEDIATE BASE INCANDESCENT LAMPS.—
An intermediate base incandescent lamp shall not
exceed 40 rated watts.
(v) BACKSTOP REQUIREMENT.—
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if the final rule does not
produce savings that are greater than or equal to the
savings from a minimum efficacy standard of 45
lumens per watt, effective beginning January 1, 2020,
the Secretary shall prohibit the sale of any general
service lamp that does not meet a minimum efficacy
standard of 45 lumens per watt.
Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, Title III: Energy Savings Though Improved Standards for Appliance and Lighting,
B. Lighting Energy Efficiency
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(I have tried to read the whole Act, but the wording is so obtuse, and the law ridiculously complex. I believe these two excerpts are the primary
references affecting normal incandescent light bulbs)
The law, already passed, will demand regular fixture light bulbs must meet at least 45 lumens per Watt. It is practically impossible for incandescent,
even halogen hulbs to meet this. A quartz halogen bulb (high-efficiency incandescent) typically produces 24 lumens per Watt, while even the high
temperature halogen bulbs (which are not commonly available) only reach 35 lumens per Watt. So regular incandescent bulbs are essentially being
banned. I am tired of people falsely claiming the bulbs will not be banned. The exact language of the law is extremely complicated and misleading, and
it does not specifically mention that incandescents will be banned, but that is the effect of the law. Now whether the federal government
actually has the authority to regulate lighting efficiency standards is a different matter, it is possible the Supreme Court may restrict the
enforcement of the law if it feels the federal government is overstretching the authority granted to it through the commerce clause in the
Constitution. But most stores and factories are not going to want to risk legal trouble.
CFL's do not even save energy!
The whole intention of these laws are to reduce the consumption of energy. But does this really make sense? There are, for example, other ways to
reduce energy consumption, such as just taxing electricity.
The manufacture of the bulb itself consumes energy. It takes several times as much energy to produce a compact fluorescent bulb as an incandescent
bulb. Furthermore, because of the use of potentially toxic mercury in fluorescent bulbs and the stringent environmental regulations, manufacturers in
the USA are unnable to compete with Chinese manufacturers. So whereas around half the old incandescent bulbs are still produced in the USA,
all of the new compact fluorescent lights are produced in China. The energy consumption for manufacturing in China is much more wasteful and
less efficient than in the USA. The fact that the Chinese government subsidizes the prices of electric power does not help. 68.7% of the electric
power in China is produced from coal power plants, which are often much less efficient more polluting than those in the USA. Indeed, China is the
largest consumer of coal in the world. The coal power plants in China use bituminous coal which, while cheaper than other grades of coal, also has a
much higher sulfur content leading to acid rain.
The mere production of the new compact fluorescent bulbs consumes 1.7 kiloJoules of power per bulb. This is not electric power from the USA, but
rather electric power from China that results in much more pollution and carbon dioxide emissions. So the new laws are not only resulting in more
pollution, but also the loss of more American jobs.
Then there is cost. A typical compact fluorescent bulb costs three times as much as an incandescent bulb. While suppossedly fluorescent bulbs can last
8 times longer than the old incandescent bulbs, in practice most of the compact fluorescent bulbs coming from China are of inferior quality, and it is
my experience that they only tend to last between 1.5 to 3 times as long. Their rated lifespans will be reduced even more if put on a dimmer
switch. If you go to the store and find that compact fluorescent bulbs are the same price as the old incandescent bulbs, it is not because they are
actually cheaper. Rather, the taxpayers are indirectly subsidizing the difference of cost through grants to local utility companies.
Compact fluorescent bulbs also are intended to be specially disposed of, because of their mercury content. Taking the trouble to properly recycle the
bulbs and prevent the glass from breaking also adds cost, trouble, and indirectly consumes more energy.
Now to bring up the subject of energy efficiency. It is widely claimed that compact fluorescent bulbs use 70% less energy than ordinary incandescent
bulbs. But this is only in terms of light output. It actuality, incandescent bulbs are essentially 100% efficient. It is just that most of the energy
output is in the form of heat rather than light. Because of geographic distribution, most American households use more energy heating their
homes than air conditioning. So it makes little sense to be using fluorescent lighting for most of these households. Why go to the trouble of trying
to avoid electric power from being converted to heat in the lighting while simultaneously separately consuming electric power to generate
heat? It makes no sense. Even in warmer locations, lights are typically used most in the night time, when it also happens to be colder. Even most
homes in the "sun belt" have their heaters turned on at night in the winter. So compact fluroescent bulbs, in many situations, will not reduce the
consumption of energy. They will produce less heat, and people will just turn up the setting on their heaters to compensate.
The argument about saving energy is not a particularly good one. Household lighting only composes a very small fraction of the total energy consumed.
In a typical household, normal incandescent lighting consumes only 15% of the home's electric power use. In fact, home heating
consumes around HALF of a typical household's electricity use. Most of the American population lives in in the north half of the country, where the
climate tends to be cooler. For a house with its heater on, "energy saving" CF bulbs will NOT actually save any energy. All types of lighting
are actually 100% "efficient", it is just a matter of how much energy is converted into light and how much into heat. Forcing households in Minnessota
or New York to convert to fluorescent bulbs is completely senseless.
Manufacturers usually claim that their CFL's have a lifetime of 5000 hours, but this is often a lie. Many of the cheaper CFL's have a lifetimes as low
has 2500 hours. I am surprised there has not been any class action lawsuits against these companies yet. Many of these companies are using inferior
electronic parts that cause the bulb to fail early, not just because it is cheaper, but also because they can sell more bulbs that way. Remember, all
these bulbs are made in Chinese factories, and we all know Chinese companies have much lower ethical standards.
One source I found stated that producing a compact fluorescent bulb consumes about five times as much energy as it takes to make an incandescent bulb.
Here is one comment made by James Rhyner at St. Cloud University:
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"I have been trying CFL's for several years and have yet to have one that lasts longer than an incandescent bulb. Again the politicians are trying to
run our lives. As another writer mentions, the costs of producing and disposing of the CFL's are probably much greater than the operating and disposal
costs of incandescents. Of course no one wants to analyze that as the politicians will lose their kick backs from the Chinese manufacturers (I despise
congress and don't trust them)"
(December 15, 2011)
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"I have a combination of incandescent and CFL bulbs. ... My home was built in 1999, and all the bulbs in it are 60-watt bulbs. Just in the last year
they started to burn out. 11 years for an incandescent bult is pretty darn good. I have replaced some of these with CFL's and NONE of them have lasted
more than 3 years."
(Darryl Buss, comment left on Popular Mechanics website)
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Exaggerated lifespan
Real-world reports from the home front show that the claimed extended lifespan of CFLs is often greatly exaggerated. There is ample data indicating
that the frequent switching on and off of CFLs greatly shortens their life. A study by H. Sterling Burnett, senior fellow at the National Center for
Policy Analysis, and co-author Amanda Berg concludes:
“Unfortunately, except under a fairly narrow range of circumstances, CFLs are less efficient than advertised. Manufacturers claim the average life
span of a CFL bulb is 10,000 hours. However, in many applications the life and energy savings of a CFL are significantly lower. Applications in which
lighting is used only briefly (such as closets, bathrooms, motion detectors and so forth) will cause CFL bulbs to burn out as quickly as regular
incandescent bulbs . . . When initially switched on, CFLs may provide as little as 50 percent to 80 percent of their rated light output and can take
up to three minutes to reach full brightness.”
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba637/
And what about the fact that all the new "energy saving" bulbs are made in China? Because the compact fluorescent lights contain mercury, and the EPA
has so many expensive regulations on toxic substances in the workplace, American companies are just unable to compete with China. I bet all those poor
Chinese workers making our compact fluorescent lightbulbs are breathing in mercury vapor.
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa5f7opBePo
Unfortunately that Energy Independence and Security Act actually allocated funding for public "education" about "energy saving". Essentially
the taxpayer is subsidizing millions of dollars in propaganda in favor of CFL's. Even on the official government website there were several blatent
lies about CFL's.
I found this on a found this from a pro-CFL cite:
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Myth: CFLs don't save money because my heating system has to work harder to produce the lost heat I would have received from my regular incandescent.
Reality: The heat lost when switching from an incandescent to a CFL has a negligible effect on your heating system.The heat that emanates from
incandescent bulbs tends to hang up near the ceiling, and has little effect on your thermostat.
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What a lame defense! Looks like they are really trying hard to counter the anti-CFL movement. Even if the effect truely is "negligible", one could
logically argue that the potential energy saving themselves from CFL are also "negligible" compared to the energy consumption of the heating system.
In any case, this does nothing to adress the original argument itself: that it is pointless to try to prevent electric power from being converted to
heat while one is also using energy to heat the home at the same time. I suppose an argument could be made if only using a wood burning fireplace to
heat the home (biofuel), but how many commonly people do that? All heat tends to rise upward toward the ceilling. A heating system typically has a fan
that pushes the air around. This movement of air will also push around the air towards the ceilling. And if the air near the ceilling is already warm,
it will just prevent more of the warm air from the heater from also similarly rising and being "wasted".
[Edited on 14-6-2012 by AndersHoveland]
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I cannot for the life of me figure out what relevance this has to amateur science.
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What realy annoys me about CFL's is the way they take 10 minutes to reach full output.
if im going in and out of a room I want the light to come on when I flick the switch. Otherwise.. the light gets left on..
They are also not very "bright" in the technical sense meaning that the emission area is very large compared to its output power so you cant use them
to project a beam of light onto anything like you might with a flood light or a down-light. (if your interested se http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etendue)
The only place i think CFL's might make sense for is outdoor porch lights that spend allot of time on.
However i do quite like the newer style "halogen globes" that are a traditional globe package with a small halogen bulb inside these they reach full
brightness instantly and have a nice even spectrum making colors look more correct compared to daylight. They do seem to have quite a short lifespan
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Really the problems with the CFL bulbs are the cheap power supplies that makes the high voltage for the light to run.
If you were to make a special adapter with a GOOD power supply in it and CFL's that are just bulb, no supply then the advertised life span should be
reached even exceeded.
As for the ~60 hz flashing that could probably be fixed by adding a bridge rectifier to the output of the bulbs. That may be expensive but if you need
solid light I don't see any reasons why that would not work.
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If there's any relevance to amateur science in this issue, OP failed to include it in the first post.
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Polverone
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