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Calcium acetate + hydrogen peroxide will give acetone peroxide
I want to know if i will add calcium acetate to hydrogen peroxide will it form acetone peroxide
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No because as far as I know, to make acetone peroxide, acetone has to be combined with hydrogen peroxide in an acidic condition (hence the
acetone+HCl+H2O2 production route. Calcium acetate, correct me if I'm wrong, is slightly basic, and will accelerate the decomposition of the H2O2. And
the reaction cannot be driven forward by precipation because both acetone peroxide and CaCO3 is insoluble. So no. Just distil the calcium acetate or
get a litre of acetone from your local hardware shop.
Anyway, why are you interested in acetone peroxide? Are you going to make things explode with it? Well, be careful and make only a tiny amount (less
than 1g) so it doesn't injure you.
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Well If i add hcl in calcium acetate than h2o2 will it work
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+make+Acetone+Peroxide
But, as aforementioned, never make this in large quanities, aka over a gram or two. People have been horrifically killed by doing stupid things with
such materials, and I should point out, as you are a new member, that the boards accept NO responsibility for *your* mistakes.
Also, remember to wear full PPE, including goggles, a face shield, gloves and protective clothing. Always work either under a very good hood ar at the
very least outside.
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I would think that if anything it would make peroxy acetic acid.
so If you feel like doing some epoxidations or bayer-villiger reactions....
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H2O2 is unstable in temperatures used to convert Ca(C2H3O2)2 to CaCO3 and C3H6O, so that route is not viable. Why don't you just distil the calcium
acetate if you seriously can't buy acetone?
Note: Acetone can be bought as nail polish remover, paint-thinner (check labels before buying) and simply as "acetone" at hardware stores.
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Calcium acetate is not acetone - it will not work. You can't just substitute random chemicals and expect to get the same product.
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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If you add HCl to calcium acetate, it will form CaCl2 and acetic acid. Then, when you add H2O2, you will get some peroxidized acetic acid and some
calcium chloride in solution. If you add it the other way, it won't work either because the H2O2 will oxidize (I think) the HCl to HClO, which will
then react with the remaining HCl to form Cl2. So you will get a leftover solution of acetic acid, CaCl2 and calcium acetate. If you heat both
solutions, the HCl in the first solution might be driven off as a gas, but then the peroxide will first decompose (with an explosion if in the form as
peroxidized acetic acid). The second reaction, when heated, generates nothing at all because the H2O2 has already decomposed.
Your only choice, if you cannot find acetone or a distillation device, is to oxidize isopropyl alcohol with a suitable oxidizer. (KMnO4/Cr2O7
salt)+copper catalyst.
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I have lots of isopropanol copper and kmno4 i heard that acetone can be prepared from it by passing oxygen at 70' degree and i some atmospheric
pressure that i have forgot now i was not successful by this process please tell your process of using kmno4 and copper i will be very thankful to you
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-propanol
Methods of production (second link the oxidation of isopropyl alcohol with KMnO4)
So you don't need copper catalyst at all, just isopropyl alcohol and KMnO4. You might have to heat the reaction to get it started though.
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Will you please tell me the complete process what temperature i have to maintain how much quantities i have to use .the product needs to be
condensed or isopropanol will be fully converted to acetone
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Vikascoder, you seem to be asking to be spoon fed about how to make explosives, and showing that you are not completely responsible with them ( as per
some other of your posts) and do not even seem to be interested in the chemistry. Do you understand the mechanisms behind the reactions that you are
trying to perform? or are you just trying to use a recipe for something that may get yourself and others hurt?
[Edited on 2-2-2012 by ThatchemistKid]
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Quote: Originally posted by Vikascoder  | | Will you please tell me the complete process what temperature i have to maintain how much quantities i have to use .the product needs to be
condensed or isopropanol will be fully converted to acetone |
Will you please quit being so lazy and read a damn chemistry book! He posted links to the procedures, yet you still ask to be spoon fed the reaction
parameters. Are you to lazy to bother to even read them, or use Google?
UTFSE!, and stop expecting us to do all the chemistry and research for you so that you can just follow the 'recipe' and blow sh*t up so that your
friends think your kewl. That's not what SciMad is about. If your not interested in learning chemistry, then you do not belong here.
U.T.F.S.E. and learn the joys of autodidacticism!
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Hey i have already use the search engine and the links posted by him but there was only one thing written that acetone is produced by the oxidation of
isopropanol and you must be knowing that a very tiny mistake can blow up your whole lab and my motto is to take the full information about anything
then performing that experiment because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing . I am doing research on this topic on many search engines ,websites
but i am not finding anything useful if you can help me please help . The place where i live it is very difficult to find acetone
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http://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/alcohols/oxidation.h...
well here is a standard start
maybe look up the mechanism for chromate and permanganate oxidation of alcohols via their corresponding esters.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Vikascoder | | Hey i have already use the search engine and the links posted by him but there was only one thing written that acetone is produced by the oxidation of
isopropanol and you must be knowing that a very tiny mistake can blow up your whole lab and my motto is to take the full information about anything
then performing that experiment because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing . I am doing research on this topic on many search engines ,websites
but i am not finding anything useful if you can help me please help . The place where i live it is very difficult to find acetone
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I'm sorry. I was harsh, it's just that acetone is so common, and AP is so crappy(in the worst way). Find some "black market" nail polish remover,
surely you can buy or obtain some form of it if your desire for TATP so great.
U.T.F.S.E. and learn the joys of autodidacticism!
Don't judge each day only by the harvest you reap, but also by the seeds you sow.
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You can produce acetone via destructive distillation of calcium acetate.
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed026p275
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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There is no need to help a fellow in any way shape or form, that wants to make an explosive yet does not have access to acetone or needs to be walked
though the process of making acetone.
What kind of backwoods or desert rat type of person would really not have access to acetone yet need explosives, seriously ask yourself this question
and the implications before furthering this thread in anyway.
Knowledge is useless to useless people...
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fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story
before."~Maynard James Keenan
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One should not be proud of knowledge because knowledge always increase when we gave it to someone it never decreases if you dont want to help me dont
help but let the others help me. By the way i am not going to use acetone peroxide as a explosive but as a super rocket fuel. I am not getting acetone
because the supplies which supply me chemicals is not taking any order for acetone from 1 month because he is very very ill. He is suffering from
blood cancer and currently he is in hospital . I never buy from someone else because their rates are high as compared to my supplier
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| Quote: Originally posted by Vikascoder | | One should not be proud of knowledge because knowledge always increase when we gave it to someone it never decreases if you dont want to help me dont
help but let the others help me. By the way i am not going to use acetone peroxide as a explosive but as a super rocket fuel. I am not getting acetone
because the supplies which supply me chemicals is not taking any order for acetone from 1 month because he is very very ill. He is suffering from
blood cancer and currently he is in hospital . I never buy from someone else because their rates are high as compared to my supplier
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Sorry, but if you want pure acetone without much trouble, the easiest way is to buy it from somewhere else.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Vikascoder | | One should not be proud of knowledge because knowledge always increase when we gave it to someone it never decreases if you dont want to help me dont
help but let the others help me. By the way i am not going to use acetone peroxide as a explosive but as a super rocket fuel. I am not getting acetone
because the supplies which supply me chemicals is not taking any order for acetone from 1 month because he is very very ill. He is suffering from
blood cancer and currently he is in hospital . I never buy from someone else because their rates are high as compared to my supplier
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So, you want to use acetone peroxide "as a super rocket fuel"? That does it! Your entire post is nothing but an insult to our intelligence and
dignity. Why do you think we will blindly ignore such a humiliation and still help a person so ignorant who actually believes that mixing some random
chemical that happens to have a name related to acetone give a specific product derived from acetone? Nobody responsible is going to help someone as
incompetent into making a totally unstable explosive substance that is responsible for who knows how many deaths and blown off fingers! So get
yourself a reality check and grow up.
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Sedit, you are right - it seems my post did encourage some chemical curiosity in others though.
And acetone peroxide as rocket fuel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLaNyhege9A
Put your launch on youtube too. 
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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I am going to use Acetone peroxide in a very low amount but some other things with it and i have designed my rocket motor in a very special way their
are many stages of various propellants which are going to be used i have tried some rockets with it before also and none of them yet failed each go up
with such a speed that hardly anyone can see it . It just go with a whooosh sound . I can only see it when it is at height or the fuel got finish .
Acetone peroxide is very powerful and good rocket fuel which has been tried by hardly by one or two person . Everyone think that this is very
sensitive but there are many ways for preparing it so that it become very insensitive one way is always keep the temperature below 0 degree celsius
use 6 & h2o2 and 6%hcl i am not humiliating anyones dignity . You think i am doing a wrong thing but if you will stable acetone peroxide it is
very nice . So i have stabilised it with some stabilising agent i was doing research on this topic from previous 6 years and now i have got success in
stabilising it . Now the only problem which i have is to get acetone nothing else .
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The acetone triperoxide is extremely sensitive to both friction and shock. This extreme sensitivity is easily demonstrated by gently grinding acrossed
it with a pestle on an iron plate or bumping it with a .5kg hammer on an iron plate.
Official references (Federoff, A44) state this about the triperoxide:
Friction sensitivity: "extremely sensitive".
Impact sensitivity: 500g with 10 cm (Bur of Mines App); 50g weight 15cm (50% det, French app. "petit mouton").
"Note: Results of impact sensitivity tests show that acetone triperoxide is one of the most sensitive explosives known".
Now from elsewhere in Federoff we find mercury fulminate is 5cm with 2kg weight (Bur of Mines app) and lead azide 12cm with 2 kg.
0.1*0.5*10 = 0.5 Nm.
0.15*0.050*10 = 0.075 Nm.
0.05*2*10 = 1 Nm.
0.12*2*10 = 2.4 Nm.
So, acetone triperoxide is 2 to 13 times more impact sensitive than mercury fulminate and 5 to 32 times more impact sensitive than lead azide.
Quit spreading misinformation about the compound.
And when has any primary ever been used as a rocket fuel? Sounds like a Darwin award in the making, or a really shady patent no one would care about.
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I have found a new way written my old chemistry book that acetone can be produced by passing a mixture of ethyl alcohol vapour and steam over a
catalyst , zinc chromite at 500'C , acetone is obtained yield is about 80%
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