Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Dark brown Propionyl Chloride?
xionoland
Harmless
*




Posts: 6
Registered: 13-4-2011
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 10-6-2011 at 11:49
Dark brown Propionyl Chloride?


A suposed 98% air sealed propionyl chloride is dark brown in color. Isn't that chemical suposed to be clear liquid? Maybe some of it have reacted with moisture from air.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Ozone
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1269
Registered: 28-7-2005
Location: Good Olde USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Integrated

[*] posted on 10-6-2011 at 15:00


The stuff I have made was 98+% and water-white. It also eats the caps off of scintillation vials. Butyryl chloride, ditto.

It may be photochemically reactive.

Cheers,

O3




-Anyone who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
--Albert Einstein
View user's profile View All Posts By User
woelen
Super Administrator
*********




Posts: 8014
Registered: 20-8-2005
Location: Netherlands
Member Is Offline

Mood: interested

[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 03:15


Propionyl chloride, even when some of it has reacted with water, still must be colorless. The products of reaction with water also are colorless. If yours is dark brown, then I'm afraid that it is a load of crap, not suitable for any serious experiments. You might have some luck with distilling off the compound from the dark brown crap.



The art of wondering makes life worth living...
Want to wonder? Look at https://woelen.homescience.net
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Arthur Dent
National Hazard
****




Posts: 553
Registered: 22-10-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: entropic

[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 03:42


Maybe it reacted somehow with the bottle cap or the lining of the cap, melted it and dissolved it, and further reaction discolored the Propionyl Chloride? Unscrew the cap and see what shape it is in... If that's the case, then as woelen suggested, you might want to try distillation.

A few MSDS sheets suggest these properties:
Density: 1.06
Melting point: -94 ºC
Boiling point: 77-79 ºC

Robert




--- Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. - Frank Zappa ---
View user's profile View All Posts By User
DJF90
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 2266
Registered: 15-12-2007
Location: At the bench
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 11-6-2011 at 04:01


It may be that his "air sealed" sample is actually an ampoule. The fact he can tell its a dark colour may hint that its a clear glass ampoule, as opposed to an amber one which would exclude ultraviolet radiation from the sample (although it is possible to tell if something in an amber glass vial/bottle is dark - so I'm just guessing). Try distilling it; don't forget a calcium chloride tube on your reciever adaptor to prevent the ingress of moisture.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
mr.crow
National Hazard
****




Posts: 884
Registered: 9-9-2009
Location: Canada
Member Is Offline

Mood: 0xFF

[*] posted on 12-6-2011 at 09:42


Maybe some sort of polymerization or condensation with the enol form. Sort of like the HVZ reaction

You could react it with sodium propionate to get propionic anhydride. That should be a lot better for long term storage.




Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top