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Energetic Perovskites
There is scattered information regarding these on this forum, but i thought it better to consolidate this into one thread.
Energetic perovskites are as the name suggests energetic double salts that form in a perovskite structure. From what I can find in the literature only
DABCO (1,4-diazabicyclo[2.2.2]octane or triethylenediamine) and piperazine (diethylenediamine) are known to form these, with a variety of nitrate,
perchlorate and periodate salts. Other amines are listed in the patent US 20190112242A1 but I believe it's just to cover all the bases just for patent
purposes, excuse the pun.
Theres some pretty wild performance figures shown in the literature, which is all out of China. The rhetoric from the early reports has been toned
down slightly but still is in the high 8000's and into the 9000's for velocity of detonation and likewise high det pressure. The current highest
performing is "DAP-6" which is Hydroxylamine Dabconium Triperchlorate with a calculated figure of 9123m/s and 38.1GPa det pressure.
I have made DPPE-1, DAP-2, DAP-4, DAN-2 and experimented with swapping out the KNO3 in DAN-2 with NaBrO3 and KClO3. These are all DABCO based which is
a fairly common industrial and lab chem but not OTC. Piperazine is available OTC as poultry dewormer, quite cheaply. Here its available as piperazine
citrate solution or as the solid dihydrochloride at the equivalent of about $60US per Kg. This will need to be freebased as the piperazine
perovskites seem to be significantly soluble, I attempted to use the dihydrochloride as is but could not form a precipitate.
DPPE-1 is a primary explosive but interestingly it seems the DAP-2 and DAP-4 will likewise act as initiating explosives even though they only
deflagrate in the open. I'm only basing this assertion on the supporting info available here https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/smll.2023026... , I cannot access that main article. If anyone can that would be great.
The downside to these perovskites is that they seem to be quite friction sensitive, which is attributed to there rigid perovskite structure.
Heres a description of what my results were.
Potassium Dabconium Trinitrate (DAN-2)
(H2DABCO)[K(NO3)3]
11.2g (0.1mol) DABCO and 10.1g (0.1mol) potassium nitrate is dissolved into 50ml of water, then 18.5g (0.2mol) of 68% nitric acid is added in one
portion with stirring. This resulted in a slight exotherm that raised the temperature to 38 degrees C. The solution was left stirring for 5 minutes
then left to stand at an ambient temperature of 18 degrees C. Crystalisation began at about 20 degrees C and proceeded at the stable temperature of 18
degrees C as a moderate yield of needle shaped crystals. These were shown to be only very feebly energetic. The mother liquor was left to stand for
one day, whereby it redissolved the needles through the heat of the sun, then deposited large blocky crystals as the solution cooled throughout the
14°C night, these were filtered and dried.
As far as I can determine both crystal forms were the same thing and DAN-2 has no notable energetic properties. When held in the jet of a butane gas
flame it turns black then burns weakly and splutters putting itself out. Nothing even remotely close to the "modern blackpowder" as claimed in the
literature. A vacuum was applied to the seemingly dry crystals for 2 hours but the energetic properties were not improved.
Attemps to substitute KNO3 with NaBrO3 failed, there was no precipitate but on placing the solution in the sun to evaporate I believe bromination took
place from the breakdown of HBrO3, fine yellow needles precipitated in high yield that were only mildly energetic.
Attempts to substitute KNO3 with KClO3 produced a precipitate of ill defined crystal form that deflagrated vigorously leaving white pearls. I believe
this to be more a coprecipitate than a perovskite.
Potassium Dabconium Triperchlorate (DAP-2)
(C6H14N2)[K(ClO4)3]
2.77g of potasssium perchlorate in 100ml water was heated with stirring at 50°C until dissolution. Another solution comprised of 2.24g of DABCO in
100ml and 5.74g of 70% perchloric acid was then poured into the stirred potassium perchlorate solution resulting in an immediate milky precipitate.
The heating was turned off and the solution was stirred for another 30 minutes as it cooled to 25°C before filtering, flushing on the filter with
ethanol and drying.
On ignition DAP-2 flares vigorously with a fsssshhhht emitting a large lilac tinted flame leaving a small amount of white residue. It explodes readily
with a violent report when struck with moderate force with a hammer on anvil, suggesting a far higher impact sensitivity then the 16J reported.
Ammonium Dabconium Triperchlorate (DAP-4)
(C6H14N2)[NH4(ClO4)3]
A solution is made by dissolving 4.48g (0.04mol) of DABCO into 10ml water and 11.48g (0.08mol) of 70% perchloric acid then left to stir for 5 minutes.
Another solution is made of 4.7g (0.04mol) ammonium perchlorate in 10ml of water (or 2.72g 25% ammonia and 5.48g 70% perchloric acid). The two
solutions are combined at room temperature with stirring resulting in an immediate white precipitate, stirring is continued for 10 minutes then it is
filtered, flushed on the filter with ethanol and dried for a yield of 16.0g (93% of theory).
When ignited DAP-4 deflagrates vigourously with a jet like flame leaving no notable residue. DAP-4 is readily detonated with a moderate hammer strike
on an anvil again suggesting a far higher then reported impact sensitivity.
Ammonium Sodium Didabconium Hexaperiodate (DPPE-1)
2C6H14N2.2Cl + NH4Cl + 6NaIO4 --> {(C6H14N2)2[Na(NH4)(IO4)6]}n + 5NaCl
2.24g (0.02mol) DABCO and 0.54g (0.01mol) ammonium chloride in 50ml water is neutralised with 4.56g (0.04mol) 32% hydrochloric acid, into this at room
temperature and whilst stirred was added 12.8g (0.06mol) sodium periodate in 80ml water. An immediate white precipitate formed, stirring was
maintained for 3 minutes then the white solid was filtered, flushed with a further 50ml of cold water and dried.
DPPE-1 is a very vehemic compound, detonating violently in >10mg type quantities when touched with a flame and easily initiated with a hammer on
steel which is quite odd for something based on periodate. Here's a video comparing 5mg quantities of DPPE-1 with cyanuric triazide and NAP https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/files.php?pid=697407&...
Attached is a picture of DAP-2, these precipitate immediately as small cubes. The DAP-4 and DPPE-1 look the same but smaller.
[Edited on 19-12-2024 by Axt]
[Edited on 19-12-2024 by Axt]
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Thank you for condensing this into a dedicated post. Are any of these derivatives secondary explosives with moderate or insensitive properties? Or no
because of the structure?
It’s strange, but from talking to others periodates can be more violent than perchlorates, even noticed in pyrotechnic applications.
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Quote: Originally posted by MineMan  | | Are any of these derivatives secondary explosives with moderate or insensitive properties? Or no because of the structure? |
Their listed properties are all over the place, there's a table in the attached article. The ammonium nitrate based DAN-4 has off the scale friction
sensitivity (less than TNT) but even higher supposed impact sensitivity than the perchlorates with VOD 8164m/s. If the figures for DAP-4 are true, it
is sensitive but not awfully so. I'm just not sure I trust it based on how impact sensitive it seems to be.
Attachment: Molecular_perovskites_as_a_new_platform_for_design.pdf (2.7MB)
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Here's DAP-4, according to the Chinese this is 153% less sensitive than TNT.
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Thank you. I trust your tests more than the papers. I often note exaggerated claims in some papers.
To me, considering how your own results are so wildly different from the paper, makes me wonder about their other sensitivity claims.
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Yeh so had a look at that article mentioning initiation efficiency, here's the results they obtained. So yes DAP-4 will act as quite an efficient
initiator when used over 30mg. DDPE-1 was published later the same year and is the best at sub 5mg to initiate RDX. I've shown 5mg DPPE-1 being
ignited in open in first post, I'll attach a pinch of DAP-4 being ignited here as you can see DAP-4 and DAP-2 are pretty tame unconfined.
In the picture DAP-0 is dabconium diperchlorate, DAP-1 sodium dabconium triperchlorate, DAP-2 potassium dabconium triperchlorate, DAP-3 rubidium
dabconium triperchlorate and DAP-4 ammonium dabconium triperchlorate. It's interesting that the ammonium salts have the highest initiation
efficiencies. TDPI's are the exact periodate analogues to the perchlorates, their efficiency is also unexpectedly better than perchlorates, their
VOD's are significantly lower but they reach their peak pressure quicker.
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Thank you for the additional information.
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A picture is worth a thousand words. Using a lead witness plate is one of the best measurements. By making a dent or hole in the lead, it is possible
to measure power with high accuracy. I consider the "plate dent" method, i.e. a dent or crater (in the lead) to be the most accurate amateur
measurement. The method used in the picture is not so accurate because part of the energy disappeard through hole. As a result, part of the
information is lost. Exact method here for example:
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They were only looking for the transition point from partial to full detonation, that's why there is a big difference between the first and second row
but negligible difference between the second and third. At a certain point you are just measuring identical RDX base charges with a tiny difference
explained by way of a heavier primary loading.
Your picture is great, but it's not testing the same thing.
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Oh yes. It was only research of amount of primary weight.....
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If DAP-4 in a small cap (<500mg) could be used alone to trigger a booster, that’d be ideal, especially considering its ease of manufacture,
low-ish sensitivity, and cost.
@Axt, have you seen any DDT characteristics in confined DAP-4 by itself? Also, the impact sensitivity video you linked appeared to show the DAP-4
slightly ‘clumped’ after the first hammer strike; most non-hygroscopic EMs dont clump unless they’re low density and/or wetted. Hopefully these
DABCO perchlorate aren’t hygroscopic in storage.
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