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OTC nitroethane source
Not cheap, but accessible. Solvent glue for acrylic glass. Also apparently DCM as solvent, which is good.
https://linkshortner.net/hMppr
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Funny. Seller is located in Germany and does not ship to Germany a product of Germany.
Makes sense. Somehow.
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It's not solvent glue, it's glue. 1.2kg of it.
The spirit of adventure was upon me. Having nitric acid and copper, I had only to learn what the words 'act upon' meant. - Ira Remsen
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According to the tech specs it's dicloromethane and nitroethane, solvent adhesive. Although I can't find any real SDS for it. It says "viscous" in the
technical sheet, so possibly there's some polymer gunk in it too.
https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...
Here's the SDS for another solvent glue in their product line. At least it has another model number. Could be the same though: https://www.acrylite.co/files/content/acrylite.co/00-global/...
This is it: https://www.contra.com.pl/en/product/acrylic-glue-acrifix-1s...
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I'm thinking theoretically one could boil off the dichloromethane then vaccuum filter the gunk from the nitroethane followed by another distilllation
for purification
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It is glue after all... It may contain more than just a solvent especially if it "hardens" or "fills the gaps" as one can read in the description.
The spirit of adventure was upon me. Having nitric acid and copper, I had only to learn what the words 'act upon' meant. - Ira Remsen
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Isn't it poly(methyl methacrylate) dissolved in solvent? You can also just use chloroform to glue plexiglass, but I can imagine a more viscous "glue"
is easier to work with.
Es-drei sells nitroethane, I wouldn't be surprised when they turn out to be just as expensive as the glue (per ml of nitroethane)
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Be aware that some of those acryl solvents/glues are methacrylate and other solvents + stuff but some indeed are a high% nitroethane.
Check carefully before buying as its quite expensive.
Nitroethane is very good for gluing acrylate pieces but other solvents and mixes can be used too.
It seems the nitroethane based is the prefered by proffesionals but its clear they try replace it.
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Well, I did attach an SDS in my post, so we don't really need to guess now do we?
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I don't think so... the MSDS says that has nitromethane, not nitroethane.
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So much fuss over just one letter  .
Seriously though: ouch. My bad. But that's great, then we have an OTC source for both reagents. I love it.
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The Europeans who are excluded from this offer can of course just go to nitrochemis.com and get this and more from Poland. Yeah, the shop looks hot as
hell, nevertheless it is an actual legit polish business and plenty people buy there since ages without any problems. Expensive, but not more then the
glue. They do not sell to US/CA/AU/NZ though.
How can this be? Simple: Polish legislators are fighting hard against the onslaught of woke and LGBT tendencies on their catholic Motherland by not
implementing EU or other international regulations into polish law what affects all those regulations and sends many of them onto a long-winded
journey of finding out if the regulation is compatible with the polish constitution.
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Quote: Originally posted by Organikum  | | How can this be? Simple: Polish legislators are fighting hard against the onslaught of woke and LGBT tendencies . |
Umm since when was restricting chemicals part of the LGBT agenda?
Just giving you a warning here that unsubstantiated and irrelevant political statements contribute nothing positive, and will often lead to the thread
being split.
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I think that what Organikum is trying to say is that Polish anti-neoliberal attitudes have had a fortuitous consequence of rejecting overbearing
"safety" legislation banning solvents and the like, since these regulations tend to be promulgated by the same politicians who advocate 'progressive'
policy on race/gender/immigration. Something similar happened in the US where the Republicans became the main defenders of e-cigarettes, amid a
generally unscientific push from the public-health NGO apparatus to ban all kinds of vaporizer products.
In other words, the "social left" has generally become much less synonymous with personal freedom than it once was. The "woke realignment" (because
what else can it be called?) has made the politics of individual liberty much weirder than it was a decade ago. The implications for supporters of
amateur chemistry are that we can't simply align with one faction or the other anymore.
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Poland is more Texas than California that's for sure if you allow me the analogy...
It's still a very catholic and conservative country in many aspects.
I remember a church in Wroclaw (Originally Breslau, birthplace of Fritz Haber!) with a stone carved "Christ on a cross DIY kit". Not meant as fun but
as a "would you do it?"
Back in 2004 we were in a village for a festival. All dressed in black. All the town was chatting about "those Satanists" and a friend got hit on
purpose by a grandmother with her basket !
Dont get me wrong, Poland is great. The issue several countries seem to have with Brussels is that it's eating up their sovereignty and in some cases
values. Hungary is in this last case even more vocal than Poland.
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And we are talking about politics, yeah!
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| Quote: Originally posted by DocX |
So much fuss over just one letter .
Seriously though: ouch. My bad. But that's great, then we have an OTC source for both reagents. I love it.
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Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.
But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you
tell me where you see it?
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Shh, it's to avoid the embarassment of saying that none of us properly read the msds
At least *that* was fun !
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| Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide |
Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.
But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you
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In the Technical Sheet: https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...
I can't find an SDS for it though.
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The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...
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| Quote: Originally posted by DocX | | The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...
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Seriously? On the outside? And on the package with Phenyl-2-Nitropropene it is "NITROCHEMIS/P2NP" ?
Well one can always ask them nicely not to do this I suppose and Nitroethane is not illegal to order or to own, it is mostly the shops selling it
authorities want gone but as it is not illegal new ones pop up every now and then like it was with this "nail polish remover" or such some years ago.
And such a label is still better then the spice shop who sells Potassium Nitrate by the kg on German Amazon and who reports every sale directly to the
police who then shows up at the buyers door wanting to know where it is and what it is intended for.
But selling on Amazon where now even Acetone is gone - no problem.
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Ahh I see now. Silly me tried to ctrl+f "nitroethane", but that didn't work.
I messaged the seller asking if they have an SDS available.
| Quote: Originally posted by DocX | | The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...
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Im a little doubtful of this. That seems absurd.
[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]
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| Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide |
| Quote: Originally posted by DocX | | The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...
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Im a little doubtful of this. That seems absurd.
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To be honest, it's second-hand information. But I've heard it from two separate sources and they have no reason to lie. I tried emailing Nitrochemis
about it but they never replied. I can try to get a picture of the label.
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Well, absurd it is. Feast your eyes on this beautiful envelope of P2NP:
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Holy crap... What country are you in? And what country did that come from?
I've never seen that. Seems pretty nuts to me. lol
Edit: It looks like you got that from here: https://nitrochemis.com/ which is a Polisy company. Their website sells a lot of P2NP related stuff.. maybe that's why they had to do it? I doubt
that kinda labeling is enforced or common though.
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