Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Why is lava black ?
metalresearcher
National Hazard
****




Posts: 758
Registered: 7-9-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: Reactive

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 14:19
Why is lava black ?


Many oxides occurring in lava (SiO2, Al2O3, CaO, MgO) are white, so why is lava always black ?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
SmashGlass
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 52
Registered: 25-1-2011
Location: Scandinavia
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 14:30


Simple answer. Because it is burnt!

Only kidding. Maybe?...

But you should sooo talk to a Geologist not a chemist.




If it ain't broke don't fix it....
Now where are my screwdrivers? ;)
View user's profile View All Posts By User
spirocycle
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 197
Registered: 29-9-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 14:53


there probably is a good amount of carbon in it as well.
And we all know how easy it is for a small amount of carbon to color a white mixture
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Sedit
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1939
Registered: 23-11-2008
Member Is Offline

Mood: Manic Expressive

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 15:14


Even though the oxides are white in the temperatures of the volcano you will produce various silicates and what not. The main reason for it being black however are due to Fe3O4 and Magnesium contaminates. Keep in mind that even though the oxides go into the melt a reducing enviroment where oxygen is limited will draw the oxygen out of the glass itself forming a suspension of metal nanoparticals that refract light in various ways. Take copper for instance, its oxide form various forms of blue and green glazes but when the oxygen is limited in the kiln it forms some of the rare red glazes.

Almost all ceramic glazes look either grey or white before being fired but after that they become an array of viberant colors.

PS: in responce to the carbon in the volcanic glass keep in mind there is almost no chance of any being present inside of the glass itself since the glass forms well above the temperature at which Carbon forms CO2. Its this effect of carbon that we use in ceramics to produce the reducing enviroment needed to produce the more exotic glazes. I normally just start shoving newspapers it the kiln just as I start the cool down cycle and never cease until 600degree C.

[Edited on 27-1-2011 by Sedit]





Knowledge is useless to useless people...

"I see a lot of patterns in our behavior as a nation that parallel a lot of other historical processes. The fall of Rome, the fall of Germany — the fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story before."~Maynard James Keenan
View user's profile View All Posts By User
spirocycle
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 197
Registered: 29-9-2010
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 15:36


So the carbon sucks out the oxygen, reducing the metals?

[Edited on 27-1-2011 by spirocycle]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Sedit
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1939
Registered: 23-11-2008
Member Is Offline

Mood: Manic Expressive

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 15:39


Yup. I have even been considering flooding the kiln with N2 sometime soon to see if I can get the viberant rainbow colors that nitrides are known to produce.

[Edited on 27-1-2011 by Sedit]





Knowledge is useless to useless people...

"I see a lot of patterns in our behavior as a nation that parallel a lot of other historical processes. The fall of Rome, the fall of Germany — the fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story before."~Maynard James Keenan
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Magpie
lab constructor
*****




Posts: 5939
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Chemistry: the subtle science.

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 15:43


Manganese dioxide and magnetite (Fe3O4) are black. I would think lava would contain some of these components.



The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Sedit
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1939
Registered: 23-11-2008
Member Is Offline

Mood: Manic Expressive

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 15:46


Its what the majority of it is Magpie.




Knowledge is useless to useless people...

"I see a lot of patterns in our behavior as a nation that parallel a lot of other historical processes. The fall of Rome, the fall of Germany — the fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story before."~Maynard James Keenan
View user's profile View All Posts By User
barbs09
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 113
Registered: 22-1-2009
Location: Australia
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 27-1-2011 at 15:56


Hi when most people think of lava it is probably basaltic or andesitic lava which has a high proportion of dark mafic (ferromagnesian) minerals including amphiboles and pyroxenes (and far lesser actual black minerals including magnetite etc). However what makes lava dark (not really black) is its fine grain size. Lava by definition is a volcanic rock and cools fast which means no time for proper crystal formation. As a result the dark mineralshave very small grain sizes and are disseminated through the mass giving it a dark colour.

Cheers,

AB
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top