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Quote: Originally posted by aga  | This has gone too far Cou.
So the Texas stuff was all bogus crap just to garner attention as well ?
If i were a mod ... |
Where did you get that from? I deleted the post because I wanted to add a paragraph before someone saw it, then it became moot.
Originally the point of this thread was to discuss that law in general. Not just for my personal help. Previous discussion of the Texas law on this
forum never went very far, only up to "Texas is a dumb state that infringes on freedoms, MEETING ADJOURNED."
[Edited on 22-3-2016 by Cou]
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I don't actually have any data to back this up, but I'm pretty sure that supply far outstrips demand when it comes to bad smells.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mayko | | I don't actually have any data to back this up, but I'm pretty sure that supply far outstrips demand when it comes to bad smells.
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So maybe you think bad smells are a bad idea, so you decide to make fruit-smelling sprays with esters.
Do you really think anyone is gonna buy that, with all the perfumes already on Amazon?
Chemistry entrepreneurship requires heavy brainstorming.
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The foundational motive for home chemists is to pursue one's interest and enthusiasm in the science of chemistry. Amateur chemistry has little to do
with profit and sales. If your main motivation is making money, there exist other alternatives which would likely be much more profitable. If you find
that the science itself is not interesting, perhaps you might think about choosing another hobby.
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| Quote: Originally posted by ParadoxChem126 | | The foundational motive for home chemists is to pursue one's interest and enthusiasm in the science of chemistry. Amateur chemistry has little to do
with profit and sales. If your main motivation is making money, there exist other alternatives which would likely be much more profitable. If you find
that the science itself is not interesting, perhaps you might think about choosing another hobby. |
The science is interesting. But like I said, there needs to be some kind of goal to achieve. Kewls might enjoy dumping chemicals together and watching
them react for the hell of it, but real chemists don't just make things for the hell of it, right?
One purpose of chemistry could be to make a profitable product. For example, if perfumes were profitable (it's a saturated market so not really), I
could have fun by making different esters, recording smells, and deciding which ones would be the best candidates for a fruity perfume.
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Now to stop derailing this thread and get back on the original topic, which is discussing the Texas glassware law;
I just discovered a new hurdle for Texas amateur chemists. You won't be able to easily get a P.O. box out of state. You could just have to shipped to
"General Delivery" to a post office outside of Texas, but if you're having the package shipped from China, that "general delivery" could arouse some
suspicion from customs due to the fact that General Delivery mail is anonymous and associated with drug trafficking. General Delivery is so rare
nowadays that I've heard of post offices refusing to keep packages, and sending them back.
That permit is starting to look mighty good now... just need a locked, anchored cabinet to keep the glassware.
[Edited on 23-3-2016 by Cou]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cou | | Quote: Originally posted by ParadoxChem126 | | The foundational motive for home chemists is to pursue one's interest and enthusiasm in the science of chemistry. Amateur chemistry has little to do
with profit and sales. If your main motivation is making money, there exist other alternatives which would likely be much more profitable. If you find
that the science itself is not interesting, perhaps you might think about choosing another hobby. |
The science is interesting. But like I said, there needs to be some kind of goal to achieve. Kewls might enjoy dumping chemicals together and watching
them react for the hell of it, but real chemists don't just make things for the hell of it, right?
One purpose of chemistry could be to make a profitable product. For example, if perfumes were profitable (it's a saturated market so not really), I
could have fun by making different esters, recording smells, and deciding which ones would be the best candidates for a fruity perfume.
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Now this is interesting... how would you "record" the smells?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JJay | | Quote: Originally posted by Cou | | Quote: Originally posted by ParadoxChem126 | | The foundational motive for home chemists is to pursue one's interest and enthusiasm in the science of chemistry. Amateur chemistry has little to do
with profit and sales. If your main motivation is making money, there exist other alternatives which would likely be much more profitable. If you find
that the science itself is not interesting, perhaps you might think about choosing another hobby. |
The science is interesting. But like I said, there needs to be some kind of goal to achieve. Kewls might enjoy dumping chemicals together and watching
them react for the hell of it, but real chemists don't just make things for the hell of it, right?
One purpose of chemistry could be to make a profitable product. For example, if perfumes were profitable (it's a saturated market so not really), I
could have fun by making different esters, recording smells, and deciding which ones would be the best candidates for a fruity perfume.
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Now this is interesting... how would you "record" the smells? |
Everyone has a different sense of smell (H2S actually smells pleasant to me, like freshly scrambled eggs, not rotten eggs) so smell reports are
unreliable. I would keep samples for reference.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cou | | Quote: Originally posted by Mailinmypocket | So all this fussing about the legality of glass, all just to spray solutions of H2S around to smell it and annoy others :S sigh.
Make a sulfur dioxide generator instead and bleach flowers and other coloured things!, before H2S anyways.
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What about the guy who invented the "Liquid Ass Spray"? Are you gonna criticize him for spraying skatole and thiols all over the place, in the effort
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I am certainly going to criticize him. Some damngus keeps spraying that crap in
the science hall at my school and it never fails to derail the classes and keep people from concentrating on anything but the awful smell. An
infinitely more productive invention would be a spray that reacts with the indoles and thiols in it to destroy the odor. And that's something that
I've actually considered trying to make... so you can see why I'd be extremely disappointed that your ambitions amount to this.
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After calling DPS, the head lady of the controlled substances department, Deanne Malone, says that in order to get the permit, you must have a locked
cabinet to store the glassware, and the cabinet must be permanently fixed to a wall or floor, so that burglars can't take it. It also must be inside
the house, not outside. They will have DPS officers inspect the cabinet to be sure it's secure (this happens within 2 weeks of sending the permit,
they schedule a time to check with you). And they ONLY inspect the area with the cabinet, not the whole house.
I'm not sure if "home chemistry" is a valid excuse for the permit, probably is.
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What does the permit cost? I pay $50 a year for a precursor permit from my state pharmacy board. Why? Because every GD chemical you can think of us on
the list. (I had to correct their spelling of methylamine, they didn't have the first clue.) @Bert- yeah and while you're at it confess to intention
to violate the section. @Detritus: I think your post was good. BTW: DEA does not regulate research labs. However Spectrum among other CA based
re-packagers doesn't know that. More lawyer tax. Technically you might have to have an import license to buy from offshore. Nobody I know gets one.
This came from a DEA guy. I think he was wrong. The import license would be for a re-packager and I know a few who don't have the license. But I
digress...
Here's an interpretation and the most draconian clause of all: http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/searches/ag_jc-0021.htm
Why is Tx so freaked out by home chemistry? Seems like Yahoos (pronounced "Yay-who) are the biggest meth freaks of all.. when they're not doing
Oxycontin.. Oxycontin is also known as "hillbilly heroin" I heard from a sometimes reliable source that ephedrine hcl sells for 10G/pound there. I
guess it come through the tunnels.
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The permit is free.
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