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I think the spirit of the OP was in the nature of a public warning. Might be a good source for material to set up a cloud chamber.
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I'm sure as hell not wasting money on one of these, but I'd be more than happy to test one for special (non-existent) radioactive and electrical
properties.
<a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/pseudoscience-sells/" target="_blank">Pseudoscience Sells</a>
<a href="http://www.nbcsports.com/other-sports/power-balance-admits-no-science-behind-wristbands" target="_blank"> | Quote: | | We admit that there is no credible scientific evidence that supports our claims. <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> |
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Ah, my post was to open dialog and speculation on what radioactive elements they may contain, I could care less for their medical value (beyond its
harmful effect)!
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If anyone can confirm there's a radioactive brand I'm getting one just for my future nostalgia's sake.
The "negative ion" thing had me cracking up. It's not as if they're uncommon. I hope those things don't catch on around here as I know a couple people
who would buy into it and then I'd be morally obligated to throw table salt at them.
...are "positive ions" supposed to be bad, here?
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Quote: Originally posted by Wizzard  | | Ah, my post was to open dialog and speculation on what radioactive elements they may contain, I could care less for their medical value (beyond its
harmful effect)! |
I doubt they contain anything radioactive. Sections of the AltMed crowd use "negative ions" in the same way as "toxins" or "vibrations"- a sciency
sounding word that will convince people to buy their stuff, but they have no intention of actually making their product correspond to the literal
meaning of their descriptions.
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
Write up your lab reports the way your instructor wants them, not the way your ex-instructor wants them.
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Wizzard
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The video I linked was a man with a dosimeter measuring 3.8usv/hr.
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Etaoin Shrdlu
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It's probably mostly alpha radiation and probably effectively harmless, but the allegations of radioactivity are pretty widespread with not much if
any attempt to refute them. A lot of the "negative ion bracelet" companies out there even reference it, usually to attack their competitors. But I
can't find any brands being definitively pinned down, just a couple saying "we don't use that awful cheap Chinese monazite stuff, look at us!"
They mostly carefully skirt around the issue of whether they're using radioactive materials themselves.
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That link didn't work for me.
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
Write up your lab reports the way your instructor wants them, not the way your ex-instructor wants them.
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It didn't work for me earlier, either. It appears to be working now, though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKj3BoFxNtg
Has anyone else heard about this cause' I just stuumbled upon it and am facepalming currently
Also there is somthing called MMS which is NaClO2 apparently and people a drinking it!
Human stupidity continues to astound me.
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Madness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement
They charge big bucks for bottles of bleach. If I were evil and had no fear of judgement I could have been bottling Love Canal runoff. Would likely
have been safer to consume than this stuff they are pushing now. CDS-MMS, they bubble Chlorine Dioxide through a 28 percent (their words) solution of
Sodium Chlorite calling it 'activated MMS' or CDS-MMS. Then they sell 8 ounce bottles for roughly $12 each which you are supposed to drink. Myself, I
don't drink toxic waste if avoidable, and prefer my bottles of bleach to be labeled Clorox.
[Edited on 1-23-2014 by IrC]
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Kerri Rivera is Evil!
<a href="http://mmsautism.org/" target="_blank">This filth</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> makes me both profoundly
sad—as someone diagnosed with an Autism Spectrum Disorder—and furious—as a scientifically literate, critically thinking
skeptic. This <del>woman</del> cunt advocates systematically poisoning children for her own personal financial gain (book sales). She
preys on the uneducated and ignorant, and endangers the lives of innocent children.
  
Anyone up for some slander, character assassination, etc? <a href="http://memegenerator.net/Bishop-Kerri-Rivera" target="_blank">Try
this.</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" />
[Edited on 23.1.14 by bfesser]
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(From Wikipedia) "At gas phase concentrations greater than 30% volume in air at STP (more correctly: at partial pressures above 10 kPa),
ClO2 may explosively decompose into chlorine and oxygen." Boy, that puts a big, flaming, hole in her "science."
This is worse than the antivax controversy. The ironic thing? Chlorine dioxide destroys the nervous system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8 This is absolutely ridiculous. People think sprinkler rainbows are caused by water fluoridation. This
lady made me feel so smart, as evidenced by the description - and gave me a VERY bad case of headdesk.
[Edited on 24-1-2014 by Brain&Force]
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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Somebody who's finding people who they deem "unfit for society" and poisoning them Hmmm... acomparison to hitler would be too easy.
I say that there is no need of "curing" especialy not with bleach.
Also would it be legal if I gassed her house with ClO2 and claimed I was curing her when she ends up dead ?
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Please don't joke about homicide.
What I find most disillusioning about the whole matter is that she's being celebrated for what is essentially child abuse. Surely Mexico has laws
protecting children.
[edit] And this boils my blood (emphasis added):<a href="http://mmsautism.org/consultation-with-kerri-rivera" target="_blank"> | Quote: | Instructions for scheduling a Skype session with Kerri Rivera, D.Hom.
1. Email Kerri at KerriRivera@yahoo.com and tell her you would like to schedule a Skype appointment.
2. Go to paypal.com and log in. If you do not have an account, follow the instructions to create one. Click on the SEND MONEY tab In the To field, put
Kerri’s business paypal Address which is: pieapie@prodigy.net.mx In the Amount, put <em>100 and select USD</em> from the drop down
Select “I’m paying for goods or services” <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" |
</a>I had to look it
up; "D.Hom." is "Doctor of Homeopathy"—it's not a real doctorate. Oh, and she's a bishop in the <a href="http://genesis2church.org/"
target="_blank">'Genesis II Church of Health & Healing'</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" />—a tax-evasion front based
in the Dominican Republic.
[Edited on 24.1.14 by bfesser]
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I came across this nonsense while searching for information on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Group" target="_blank">Madison
formation</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laramide_orogeny"
target="_blank">Laramide orogeny</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />:
<a href="http://www.perigeezero.org/" target="_blank">Perigee: Zero — Unified Theory of Cultural Heritage and Geological
History</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" />
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| Quote: Originally posted by Etaoin Shrdlu | | It's probably mostly alpha radiation and probably effectively harmless, but the allegations of radioactivity are pretty widespread with not much if
any attempt to refute them. |
Wouldn't the alpha particles attenuate before exiting the silicone material? Then it would make them a 'miracle personal helium generator capable of
curing _____ and fixing your marriage'.
On the flip side, during a radioactive material training course we were shown a negative correlation with cancer rates for very long term, low dose
radiation. I've only seen it twice and I can't cite anything. Anyone know what I'm talking about that can cite something for me?
And a parting shot, science and experimentalism can only prove/disprove what is within their realm. Things that exist outside of that realm can only
be conjectured, but not proved/disproved by science as it stands. The state of science has to progress before conjecture can be removed. In a
nutshell, you must know and understand the limits of your experimental design and knowledge before you dismiss or accept an idea/hypothesis.
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| Quote: Originally posted by roXefeller | | On the flip side, during a radioactive material training course we were shown a negative correlation with cancer rates for very long term, low dose
radiation. I've only seen it twice and I can't cite anything. Anyone know what I'm talking about that can cite something for me?
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Look up radiation hormesis if you're curious. I find the idea fascinating but haven't done any real study into it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by roXefeller | | On the flip side, during a radioactive material training course we were shown a negative correlation with cancer rates for very long term, low dose
radiation. I've only seen it twice and I can't cite anything. Anyone know what I'm talking about that can cite something for me?
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I have heard of several studies that seemed to show this effect. I'll see if I can find them.
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Are you all speaking of hormesis?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
Etaoin Shrdlu beat me to it, I see. Sorry.
[Edited on 3-2-2014 by Bot0nist]
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| Quote: Originally posted by bfesser | | <a href="http://mmsautism.org/" target="_blank">This filth</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> makes me both profoundly
sad—as someone diagnosed with an Autism Spectrum Disorder—and furious—as a scientifically literate, critically thinking
skeptic. This <del>woman</del> cunt advocates systematically poisoning children for her own personal financial gain (book sales). She
preys on the uneducated and ignorant, and endangers the lives of innocent children. |
What a sickening and disgusting individual. Terrifying that people can get away with horrible forms of pseudoscience like this, and preying/indirectly
torturing innocent autistic children. Truly horrifying.
I have a co-worker who was recently diagnosed with cancer, and some schmuck sold him a miracle fruit "Guanabana" that the seller claimed was 10,000
times more potent than chemo. What a load of rubbish. The scary part is that some people would reject true cancer therapy, such as chemo and
radiation, and instead choose this magic fruit, or some other BS miracle cure. Don't even get me started on Homeopathy or the anti-vaccine crowd. It
saddens me to see how many people are deciding to go to this unproven, potentially dangerous hogwash, while rejecting known and proven modern
medicine.
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Yea BobD, that antivaccination and antimedicine stuff really really bothers me. I could go on for days about it but I'll try not to think about it.
Here's another funny one I recently heard about.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2014/01/31/burning-snow-vide...
People think that all the snow in the USA this winter is a conspiracy. ideas ranging from nanobots to polymers being dumped everywhere. Mostly because
people don't understand a few topics, incomplete combustion, phase changes, or how to conduct a simple experiment. If you meet anyone who thinks the
snow is made up of nanobots because the soot from their lighters turns it black tell them to hold their lighter side-ways (so that the incomplete
combustion byproducts don't get trapped on the surface of the snow), or ask them to hold their lighter underneath a glass dish for the same duration
of time and ask if there are nanobots in the glass, or let it melt at room temperature.
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smaerd has me all bummed out now. I was positive if I built a snowman and shouted 'nanobots electrify' something cool would happen. Now all it's
going to do is melt when spring arrives.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" Richard Feynman
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_ray" target="_blank">Violet ray</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /><a
href="http://www.quantumbalancing.com/violet_ray" target="_blank"> | Quote: | | Violet Ray Technology energizes the body by way of a very short exposure using Noble gas tubes to transfer antioxidant electrons into the body tissues
which studies show directly neutralize free radicals. <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> |
</a>[edit] I clicked on this video, thinking that it would be a scientific discussion of <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orogeny" target="_blank">orogenesis</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />, not the goddamn
biblical genesis:
<a href="http://youtu.be/kT6RxtWDeh0" target="_blank">Orogeny - The Formation Of Mountains</a> <img src="../scipics/_yt.png" />
You can imagine my disappointment and anger.
[edit] I don't even...
<a href="http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm" target="_blank">The Neanderthal theory</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" />
[edit] <a href="http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/8225/do-cacti-absorb-harmful-radiation-emitted-by-computers" target="_blank">Do
cacti absorb harmful radiation emitted by computers?</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> (StackExchange Skeptics)
[Edited on 7.2.14 by bfesser]
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The structure of water is altered by emotions.
I'd never have heard of this ridiculousness except I just ran into someone worried they were damaging their fish by being near the tank while
upset.
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