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I'm actually 15 (almost 16 though) too! It wasn't too difficult to get my parents to let me do some amateur chemistry in the house since I've already
taken AP Chemistry and several other classes with high grades in all of them(I think that really helps with the convincing part) so they agreed to
give me a few hundred dollars per year to buy chemicals and equipment along with however much of my own money I want to spend. It shouldn't be a
problem as long as you learn everything first and I also try to explain everything that I buy or do and I've been doing it for about the last year. I
started by just playing with some really common simple chemicals, like have already been suggested but I've been starting to get into more complex
stuff like complicated organic syntheses. I think one of the most fun things though is probably making or purifying your own basic chemicals then
using those to do more complicated things later. A few good sources would be just like hardware stores or even in grocery stores for common things,
but you might also want to look on eBay or for pottery suppliers since they often have tons of chemicals, even pretty uncommon ones, for very low
prices that you can use to make a bunch of other, more useful compounds. The most important think to keep in mind probably is to remember that we
can't get everything we would like to while we're still pretty young so i would recommend just setting up a small space and getting only the things
that are absolutely essential first because you can always do more later.
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Well you now have a few months' worth of advice, reaganf! Sorry if we are overloading you but like I said everybody is friendly here and want to give
their advice as they remember how they journeyed into chemistry. You don't find a home chemist who isn't passionate about what they do! We would love
to see any experiments you do if we have not scared you off yet. Also if you do not mind answering, like NEMO-Chemistry asked, what country do you
live in as this gives us some idea on the laws in your area (e.g. extracting red phosphorus from match boxes is easy and fun but (tell me if I am
wrong) it is illegal to own red phosphorus in America but here in the UK it is legal.
Okay, sorry, I'll leave you be now, reaganf! 
The clocks are going backward so I'm going to go spend the extra hour purifying some activated charcoal I found in pill form at a shop (why would
anybody take this?!?!).
[Edited on 28-10-2017 by 18thTimeLucky?]
Yep, I have a chemistry blog!
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One note on equipment, the most important equipment to get first is personal protection in the form of eye protection. Burns on hands and fingers
hurt, but not normally life changing. But it dosnt take much to take your sight away, and that really ruins alot of transition metal chemistry  .
Seriously though, condensers look cool but personal protection equipment sends all the right signals and gives you many years doing chemistry. I am
only 17, i am risk adverse. Alot of my over caution has come from reading some the horrs within this forum, people your age who didnt get any older.
People older who cant do much chemistry, because a single mistake changed there lives. Chemistry is perfectly safe if you have the correct protection
and correct mind set. I also second Woelens site!! It shows just how much fun small scale can be, you can keep your parents amazed for hours really
safely.
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Quote: Originally posted by NEMO-Chemistry  | One note on equipment, the most important equipment to get first is personal protection in the form of eye protection. Burns on hands and fingers
hurt, but not normally life changing. But it dosnt take much to take your sight away, and that really ruins alot of transition metal chemistry .
Seriously though, condensers look cool but personal protection equipment sends all the right signals and gives you many years doing chemistry. I am
only 17, i am risk adverse. Alot of my over caution has come from reading some the horrs within this forum, people your age who didnt get any older.
People older who cant do much chemistry, because a single mistake changed there lives. Chemistry is perfectly safe if you have the correct protection
and correct mind set. I also second Woelens site!! It shows just how much fun small scale can be, you can keep your parents amazed for hours really
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I second this.
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I heartedly agree that safety in the laboratory is a prime consideration. The minimum, in my opinion, should b safety eyeglasses, a fire extinguisher,
and a safety shield (which you can make from a sheet of polycarbonate - not plexiglass - plastic. But the most important safety equipment is your
brain, asking and answering some of the following questions:
what do I do in the case of fire?
what do I do if I get something on my skin? in my eye(s)?
what do I do if something explodes? (this should happen only very rarely if you have done your homework)
Chemistry is fascinating, but is not just adding A to B in some random fashion. A good chemist has a very good idea of what to expect when he adds A
to B, and thus can anticipate most likely outcomes. At your age, I strongly repeat my above recommendation concerning studying qualitative inorganic
analytical chemistry. Such a study would be a great way to structure your adventures into chemistry on a small scale while minimizing costs and
danger, yet introducing you to a great amount of chemistry.
Good luck
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Also never forget to have proper ventilation. Even though you may thing gases you are dealing with are quite "safe".
Chronic exposure really sucks.
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I think that growing crystals for beginning leads to nothing. Making complexes is something more but still not much. I think that You should start
making easy syntheses because only way to learn how to treat with chemicals such like acids or organic compounds are to treat with them. As long as
you are follow safety rules and know what You do it shouldnt do much to You. Unless you dont have any plans and want to do few interesting reactions.
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Things you and your family should known up front. Invest in safety gear to protect your lungs and a face mask to reduce the risk of chemical burns.
Good gloves and lab coat to reduce risk of poisoning yourself. A blast shield is a good idea.
Also, check out the legality of labs in your particular state. If prohibited, this could impair the nature and amount of investment in standard lab
equipment.
But most important, as there are various concerns about illegal drug manufacture, equipment purchase, for example, could trigger a visit from local
police. Strongly advise a lab book recording all experiments, a clean lab area and very important, label all compounds. Failure to do the latter can
(depending on your jurisdiction) be a serious violation (in essence, a way to legally arrest suspected drug cooks). If you happen to create any
energetic compounds (possible explosive), you must use or destroy the compound as they can only legally be stored in a magazine (a bunker).
Avoid making very smelly compounds if you have neighbors!
If you do get into trouble, my experience with jury service suggests that relying on even a rationale assessment of your situation is not that likely.
My personal observation is that most jurists cannot wait to go home, do not pay attention to evidence, are quick to judge based on personal prejudices
(race, family members employed by police or harmed by the police, being or related to a crime victim, recollection of TV shows,....), so avoid juries,
get a good lawyer (requires with bail a lot of money) and a fair judge.
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I agree with AJKOER safety gear is well worth the cost. Buy a good respirator and splash resistant mask/googles. I had the misfortune of inhaling a
full breath of chlorine. I felt as if I was underwater and each breath was filled with pain. After that I made it a point to keep a gas mask near my
work space. Well your hands can take a beating from acid or burns your lungs and eyes are much more sensitive, never let harm come to them.
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Rhodanide
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| Quote: Originally posted by VSEPR_VOID | | I had the misfortune of inhaling a full breath of chlorine. I felt as if I was underwater and each breath was filled with pain.
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Try Chloramine...
And Nitrogen Dioxide...
Both are worse, don't mess with them!
I use an M-10M FFGM, and have had the same filters for two years. I'm terrified to use it because I don't know if the filters are just all used up and
I'm just inhaling all sorts of crap, but I don't realize it. Hopefully it isn't acting as a sort of Placebo!
You know, I think I should make a forum post on that 'cause it's really concerning me.
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Hnuh?
Fifteen years old, and you are not interested in explosives or anything extremely dangerous?
What's wrong with you? This doesn't sound normal.
Other than that, I suggest you study as much chemistry as possible at school.
It's even free!
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NEMO-Chemistry
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| Quote: Originally posted by zed | Hnuh?
Fifteen years old, and you are not interested in explosives or anything extremely dangerous?
What's wrong with you? This doesn't sound normal.
Other than that, I suggest you study as much chemistry as possible at school.
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Well he posted 4 times in one day then nothing, so i guess he was interested in things that go bang, or other risky experiments .
What we think? Darwin chalk up?
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Maybe he/she has discovered the opposite sex!
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Oh yep, I had a small but concentrated release of NO2 a few months ago and suffered for about two weeks, felt like a real bad flu or bout of
pneumonia. Couldn't sleep most of those nights because I was too busy coughing up gunk so top that with sleep deprivation. Nitric acid really does a
number on your mucous membranes, and it affects you for a long time too, pretty sure it's still affecting my breathing to this day but I already had
asthma so it's nothing I'm not used to.
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In chemistry, sometimes the solution is the problem.
It’s been a while, but I’m not dead! Updated 7/1/2020. Shout out to Aga, we got along well.
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mackolol
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I dont know what are you saying. Some time ago i was making fuming nitric acid and distilling it. After all i took flask and put it on side. But later
i opened it and accidentally took full breath of hot no2. I felt terrible but after hyperventilation it was quite good. The day after my lungs were
allright. For me HCl or chlorine is worse.
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| Quote: Originally posted by reaganf | First of all i'm sorry if this is the wrong forum to ask in. I'm 15 and interested in doing some hobby chemistry, Any experiments that might be good
for a beginner to try? Also what would be a good way to introduce the idea of amateur chemistry to my parents? Thanks!
Also i'm sorry if i'm coming off as a kewl, i'm not interested in explosives or anything extremely dangerous.
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I'd suggest first to get aquainted with lab safety, and safe storage of even simple things. Good goggles and some sort of fume removal setup
possibly necessary. Best is to work at HS chem lab. Put safety #1
Metals chemistry is really cool, you can make mirrors, refine precious metals, make homeopathic vitamins, electroplate gold and other metals,
precipitate and manufacture catalytic metals as fine black powders such as what is in catalytic converters, and do experiments in the field of
corrosion. Corrosion costs society billions of dollars a year !! Try to avoid working with mercury, it is a volatile neurotoxin and is easily
inhaled.
A really good project might be to electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen in a round bottom flask equipped with a distillation condensor, inside of
which is placed some platinum that is of such small size it appears black. The hydrogen and oxygen will combine to re-form water of the highest
purity. CAVEAT is that mixtures of H2 and O2 are explosive, so the volume would need to be kept to a minimum and the gases reacted pretty quickly
after their formation. Consult your teacher, I'm interested in this because I'm interested in the physical properties of extremely extremely pure
H2O. Whatever you do, be careful and put safety first !!
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Wait? What? Do you mean those, "girls" people seem to always be talking about. They are just a urban myth!
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I'm back! Not dead yet, I've found a well ventilated lab space in our shed, parents said I could have a small corner to myself! (Big shed). Also, live
in El Paso County Colorado, should give you a general idea of the laws I'll be dealing with, live in the country so nosy neighbors shouldn't be a
problem, still trying to decide on a first experiment! So many to choose from! But still haven't discovered that mythical creature known as a "girl".
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Well, you're not alone in that regard by coming to a forum like this. I'd assume the vast majority of us are introverts. I know I sure am.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tetra |
Well, you're not alone in that regard by coming to a forum like this. I'd assume the vast majority of us are introverts. I know I sure am.
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That makes two of us.
But seriously, getting turned down three times is enough. Doing it again would be the definition of insanity.
Anyway, it seems to be a common trend that scientists are likely to be introverted. I have no hard numbers though. *shrugging*
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| Quote: Originally posted by Diachrynic | | Quote: Originally posted by Tetra |
Well, you're not alone in that regard by coming to a forum like this. I'd assume the vast majority of us are introverts. I know I sure am.
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That makes two of us.
But seriously, getting turned down three times is enough. Doing it again would be the definition of insanity. |
*shakes head*, Why, when I was your age....
If you're fifteen, or in high school, fine- just give it time.
If you're an adult, then get online. There's dozens of dating sites- as long as you're honest in your description of yourself, the internet can
connect you to people who may find you interesting. You're a scientist- you need a sample size of much larger than three before declaring that no
women could ever be interested in you.
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
Write up your lab reports the way your instructor wants them, not the way your ex-instructor wants them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid |
*shakes head*, Why, when I was your age....
If you're fifteen, or in high school, fine- just give it time.
If you're an adult, then get online. There's dozens of dating sites- as long as you're honest in your description of yourself, the internet can
connect you to people who may find you interesting. You're a scientist- you need a sample size of much larger than three before declaring that no
women could ever be interested in you. |
Oh, I never said that no women could ever be interested in me. In fact, I established a relationship three times (which are the three times I
mentioned).
However, none of those relationships were lasting. And getting rejected three times is... well, really discouraging.
It's the first one by the way.
Thank you for cheering me up. I am afraid though derailing the thread into off-topic-territory...
we apologize for the inconvenience
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| Quote: Originally posted by Diachrynic | | Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid |
*shakes head*, Why, when I was your age....
If you're fifteen, or in high school, fine- just give it time.
If you're an adult, then get online. There's dozens of dating sites- as long as you're honest in your description of yourself, the internet can
connect you to people who may find you interesting. You're a scientist- you need a sample size of much larger than three before declaring that no
women could ever be interested in you. |
Oh, I never said that no women could ever be interested in me. In fact, I established a relationship three times (which are the three times I
mentioned).
However, none of those relationships were lasting. And getting rejected three times is... well, really discouraging.
It's the first one by the way.
Thank you for cheering me up. I am afraid though derailing the thread into off-topic-territory... |
Could you post up your lab notes on those experiments .
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It is better to have Loved and lost than never to have Loved at all.
Electrons all say that.
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18thTimeLucky
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| Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid | | Quote: Originally posted by Diachrynic | | Quote: Originally posted by Tetra |
Well, you're not alone in that regard by coming to a forum like this. I'd assume the vast majority of us are introverts. I know I sure am.
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That makes two of us.
But seriously, getting turned down three times is enough. Doing it again would be the definition of insanity. |
*shakes head*, Why, when I was your age....
If you're fifteen, or in high school, fine- just give it time.
If you're an adult, then get online. There's dozens of dating sites- as long as you're honest in your description of yourself, the internet can
connect you to people who may find you interesting. You're a scientist- you need a sample size of much larger than three before declaring that no
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Oh no, am I doing something wrong? I suddenly do not feel like a scientist anymore. I'm sure she would understand if I left her to become 'more like a
chemist' though, she already knows she is second place in my life after my beautiful hotplate stirrer.
Yep, I have a chemistry blog!
18thtimelucky.wordpress.com
"Amateur chemistry does seem like being in a relationship with someone very beautiful and seductive but has expensive taste, farts a lot and doesn't
clean up after themselves, but you love them anyway" - a dear friend |
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