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plante1999
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Chemsaver do not sell anymore to the public.
In Canada, it is legal to manufacture under 100g of explosive material for research purpose, if it is disposed within two days.
Sodium azide is regulated, but not illegal, if you sell fast the lots of azide to member, and keep under 100g of it, you should be good.
I never asked for this.
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malford
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plante,
Do you have a link to a government website or document that addressed the regulation of sodium azide? I am only able to find safety information on
government websites.
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I forget that you are in Canada. As such, I relieve you of the burden of finding said information. I am in US.
Also, I do not see anywhere on the chemsaver website that they will not ship to residential addresses. I see an "intended use form" which I am happy
to fill out with: I intend to use sodium azide to research electrically induced sublimation or electrically induced detonation.
[Edited on 23-6-2013 by malford]
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sargent1015
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smokechemicals has 25 pounds of zirconium sulfate for $100 bucks 
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malford
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sarg,
Yes, some of their prices are ridiculously low. Frankly, I'd like to hear from at least one previous custom before I place my order with them.
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sargent1015
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I agree, if we get some good feedback, anyone want to go in on that zirconium sulfate? 
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S.C. Wack
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Should someone convert it to lead azide, prior to a LE inquiry into same, the legal status of NaN3 may not be straightforward. All those involved in
this conspiracy to acquire a crucial chemical for bomb detonators, including this site which facilitated this conspiracy, could be at some risk of
being "contacted" by the authorities.
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malford
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Wack,
I am beginning to conclude the same. I have cancelled my order and refunded any payments from members. I would still like to find a much smaller
quantity to be used for research.
Do you recommend information of local LE of possession and intended use prior to purchase?
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sargent1015
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Quote: Originally posted by S.C. Wack  | | Should someone convert it to lead azide, prior to a LE inquiry into same, the legal status of NaN3 may not be straightforward. All those involved in
this conspiracy to acquire a crucial chemical for bomb detonators, including this site which facilitated this conspiracy, could be at some risk of
being "contacted" by the authorities. |
This is actually somewhat of a frightening thought with the recent bombings and what have you.
But then again, this becomes a philosophical question of doing chemistry in ones own home. While there are some of us that are strictly curious, there
are others out there looking to maim and injure.
Food for thought.
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plante1999
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If malford doesn't sell it, and nobody wants to, I will take the risks.
I never asked for this.
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S.C. Wack
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It's not a good sign if you need to state intended use to anyone and you worry about doing so. It would be better to not get others involved is all.
It would be even better to make it from hydrazine sulfate or hydrate.
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Blue Matter
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Tbh this is probably a really bad idea buying a small amount of this chemical is bad enough but buying a large amount like 500g will definitely get
some dogs on your scent.
We have added these explosive materials to the List because their primary or common purpose is to function by explosion.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/atf/listofexp.htm
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plante1999
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Ha ha, thats why it was your first post in this thread. You are a part of the authorities.
I never asked for this.
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Blue Matter
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Haha that's funny cause if you actually looked at the link its a quote from there, how about you actually pay attention and read the post before
throwing around accusations.
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plante1999
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Sorry, it was not accusations, but more of a joke.
I never asked for this.
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Blue Matter
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No problem was on edge because I been ridiculed multiple times on this thread because of my post count or "not being a established member"
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plante1999
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Sorry, don't overreact. Here on sciencemadness, we need to be really careful with member with low post counts, because a) they could be minor or
especially good at hurting themselves. And b) They could be the authorities trying to catch us, even if we do nothing illegal, or that could harm
others.
Especially when your first post is about buying sodium azide.
[Edited on 23-6-2013 by plante1999]
I never asked for this.
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Blue Matter
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I have actually been lurking on this site for around 2 years just never felt a need to make a account until a few days ago saw the post and jumped on
it as sodium azide is farely difficult to make.
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malford
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Blue Matter -- what a clever pun for FBI!
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Blue Matter
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undercover for 2 years fyi
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plante1999
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You undercover agent!
So, if I buy some, is there still member interested in aquiring it?
I never asked for this.
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Blue Matter
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I would be interested but I am going to be out of town for 2 weeks so order it and maybe hold 50g for me 
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plante1999
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Due to the risks associated with buying it, I will ask 0.5$ gram + shipping. Take note that I am in canada, so shipping is about 10$
[Edited on 24-6-2013 by plante1999]
I never asked for this.
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Blue Matter
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Getting it through customs would probably be quite difficult wouldn't it?
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plante1999
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There should be no problem with that, trust me, steel pieces always pass the customs...
Be sure reagentshop probably don't tell it is sodium azide on the package.
I never asked for this.
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woelen
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I certainly would not ship sodium azide internationally without stating the contents of the package. Just handle this as a dangerous good in excepted
quantity. It requires a so-called E-sticker and most likely 25 grams of the solid can be shipped that way without any hassle. If the parcel is
intercepted and you did not state the nature of the material, then you'll have big trouble.
I myself ordered 50 grams of thallous nitrate this way, from the USA to NL (Europe). It passed customs without any problem. On the outside of the
parcel the E-sticker mentioned the compound by means of the UN-number of thallous nitrate. The shipping was increadibly fast and not expensive at all,
I did not have to pay high hazmat fees.
The european seller (APC pure) which you mentioned, also uses legal shipping and includes labels on the outside of the package! In this case it was
ADR-shipping for road and boat transport. I think sodium azide can be shipped according to IATA rules and then it can go by air, which is much faster.
I ordered HF (48%) from APC and again, no problems with shipping at all.
I do not know that Japanese seller. I see that they sell many chemicals. It looks legit and it has decent prices, but I do not know how they ship
their chemicals. If I were to order something from them I would really want them to have the chemicals shipped according to IATA regulations.
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