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in small amounts, at commercial purity, it's very likely more expensive to make anything than it is to buy it
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Quote: Originally posted by Rich_Insane  | Man made is not equivalent to inherently harmful. Nature produces hundreds if not thousands of toxicologically relevant compounds. The planet Earth
does not "care" about humanity. The planet Earth is neither hostile nor nourishing to life. It's just a place. Fluorides are found in the environment
with a relatively high abundance -- especially in the form of calcium fluoride.
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Your logic is completely absurd. Venus is a "place". Try living there. Better yet, you completely disregard millions of years of life adapting to the
earth. Get that? We adapt to Earth, not the other way around. Humans are a perfect example. How can you possibly state "Earth is neither hostile nor
nourishing to life"? Absolute crap. Earth is very much both at the same time and without the conditions the earth provides we could not possibly live.
Might I suggest a condo on Mercury? Fluorine in Calcium Fluoride is bound up tighter than a tick on your ass. No way can you make any comparisons to
the chemistry of water fluoridation nor the inherent toxicity or non toxicity of natural Fluorine using this compound.
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrC |
Unionized, You are comparing something nature has worked on chemically to something man made. Apples and oranges.
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Bloggieboy, you have my permission to swill up all the industrial waste you desire. Just do not work in government writing regulations forcing this
stuff down the throats of me and my family. Fluorine you say. Hey, Chromium is good for the body also. Right from natural sources. Was that naturally
produced III or man made VI? Inquiring minds need to know. If it takes hyperbole to get the point across so be it. I see that as useful.
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As regards the first statement, it’s codswallop with a hint of the supernatural thrown in. Chemicals are chemicals are chemicals, ‘natural’ or
not. H2S isn’t any less harmful if it comes out of a cow's behind or from FeS + an acid. It is what it is. Same with fluorides: harmful in large
amounts, vital for life in the right amounts.
Re. the second fart shows typical irrational paranoia about Governments that’s so rife in a part of the political spectrum of a certain large
country. ‘Governments’ treat water all the time so YOU can DRINK it. With CHEMICALS.
Nothing wrong with being sceptical but you are confusing your hysteria with scepticism… You’ve got form in that department.
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I do not agree. Many reactions in nature have complexities in subtle ways which are not the same as dumping poisonous industrial waste in the water.
One person can eat raw almonds and croak. Another likes them. The difference was different gut bacteria and the functioning of various enzymes where
HCN is produced in the first person but not in the second. An analogy to be sure but appropriate and I can not see where you justify the UFO theory
hysteria accusation. I thought it was you who brought up the term hyperbole. Pointless in any case you can go back to drinking whatever you wish now.
I am not wasting more time on this. The owner of the TV can now resume his regular programming.
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In the next episode we’ll discuss chemtrails, Government sanctioned alien abductions, the ‘Gay agenda’ and how Big Government is trying to steal
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 | | In the next episode we’ll discuss chemtrails, Government sanctioned alien abductions, the ‘Gay agenda’ and how Big Government is trying to steal
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Please, stay tuned! We're here for another 67,000 seasons, folks.
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Your logic is completely absurd. Venus is a "place". Try living there. Better yet, you completely disregard millions of years of life adapting to the
earth. Get that? We adapt to Earth, not the other way around. Humans are a perfect example. How can you possibly state "Earth is neither hostile nor
nourishing to life"? Absolute crap. Earth is very much both at the same time and without the conditions the earth provides we could not possibly live.
Might I suggest a condo on Mercury? Fluorine in Calcium Fluoride is bound up tighter than a tick on your ass. No way can you make any comparisons to
the chemistry of water fluoridation nor the inherent toxicity or non toxicity of natural Fluorine using this compound.
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You're missing the point of that post completely.
You insinuated earlier that fluoride is inherently a bad thing because it is man-made, or at least you suggest that natural products are somehow less
dangerous to humanity. I'm trying to say that Earth is tailored specifically for human needs -- it behooves us to constantly adapt to the environment.
You're trying to turn my own statement against me.
This is why we produce synthetic/artificial materials. In the case of fluoride, recall that fluoride strengthens enamel (formation of the
inert fluoroapatite material). Due to high sugar-diets and globalization of food products, we are prone to a much higher incidence of dental carries.
These, in turn, contribute to infection, which can sometimes be fatal. Humans no longer "adapt" by natural selection, at least not in the immediate
future we will not. Humans constantly push the carrying capacity of Earth using technology and technological innovation. Thus is the dynamic nature of
human "adaption." Millions of years of natural selection has produced a species that can piece together empirical data in order to produce practical
devices/materials. Your logic is no different than those who assume cities as somehow un-natural in the sense that cities are not ecosystems (which is
utterly false; the urban ecosystem is just as complex as the woodland ecosystem). I see that line of thinking as pretentious -- somehow assuming that
things are "un-natural" and "natural" based on the progenitor of these objects. In reality, man-made objects are neither, because they are both a
product of human means of production and a product of millions of years of neurological adaptions that have allowed for increased cognitive capacity.
Fluoride doesn't appear out of thin air, and can be found in elevated concentrations across the globe. Calcium fluoride is harmless, but it is an
example of a fluoride salt that is found in relative abundance. Because of this, it is not outlandish to assume that other dissolved fluorides exist
in the environment. As others have stated in this thread, fluoride concentrations do indeed appear increased in some so-called "clean" spring water.
Likewise, elevated arsenic can be found in some areas.
Thus, fluoridation of water, as repeatedly stated in this thread, is not an inherent medical issue but an ethical issue: Does the government have any
right to add fluoride to our water without our permission?
Well technically, in a capitalist society, water has become a commodity, the rights to which are given entirely to one firm or another. So if you
object to fluoridated water, yet are in favor of a capitalist society, then you should respect the ownership of water sources and find your own source
to drink from. Or use the almighty dollar/euro/whatever currency to purchase some bottled water.
Welcome to Capitalism.
The "most successful" economic system to date.
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"You insinuated earlier that fluoride is inherently a bad thing because it is man-made, or at least you suggest that natural
products are somehow less dangerous to humanity."
Way too generic there. If you go back you will see I named the specific chemicals they are putting in water which I object to.
"In the next episode we’ll discuss chemtrails, Government sanctioned alien abductions, the ‘Gay agenda’ and how Big
Government is trying to steal your guns."
Oddly enough, at least one of those things is likely true. Besides if I were the first to trend this thread towards the conspiracy theory realm I
would have been the one bringing up chemtrails or the one introducing the left vs right socialism vs capitalism issue.
"Well technically, in a capitalist society, water has become a commodity, the rights to which are given entirely to one firm
or another. So if you object to fluoridated water, yet are in favor of a capitalist society, then you should respect the ownership of water sources
and find your own source to drink from. Or use the almighty dollar/euro/whatever currency to purchase some bottled water.Welcome to
Capitalism."
Truth is the water all belongs to the government now by concise and public EPA regulations, even if it is a well or spring on your own land. Even if
that land has been in your family for 200 years. I am not making this up research it for yourself. Thus they do not listen to the people and they put
whatever the hell they want to in your water. If in the interest of some government agency they will put one form or another of industrial waste
spewing entity right on top of the water table feeding your private well so your answer of "getting your own water" is doomed to failure anyway.
It is not "welcome to capitalism" as you state but rather "Welcome to the 21st Century" (Schizoid Man).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6_B6zhENrQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Century_Schizoid_Man
King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man
In the Court of the Crimson King (1969)
"Cat's foot iron claw
Neurosurgeons scream for more
At paranoia's poison door.
Twenty first century schizoid man.
Blood rack barbed wire
Politicians' funeral pyre
Innocents raped with napalm fire
Twenty first century schizoid man.
Death seed blind man's greed
Poets' starving children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs
Twenty first century schizoid man".
Hey Blog, you got me going on this conspiracy thing it's fun. I should post a better song for the way things are going today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jh49xDNbCg
"If you are going to make silly noises about "natural is good and man-made is bad, at least learn some
facts.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chromate_mineralsChrome VI is natural too.I'm not a huge fan of swilling industrial waste, but I will
happily match you in a snorting contest. I will inhale water with a few micrograms of industrial waste of your choice, if you snort the same mass of
the perfectly natural (and therefore safe ) botulinum toxin."
Give me a break unionized I never espoused this claim to the level so many of you are saying. You exaggerate my words to the extreme and you know it.
If any one good thing comes out of this thread I hope it is Roscoe coming in and showing me how to post utube links where they come up with the
pictures instead of a line of text.
Beyond that I see little use in this conversation. I should be allowed to state I prefer to drink natural water and this fact be accepted in lieu of
the endless barrage of exaggerations and attacks for it you all seem to bent upon perpetuating.
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrC | "Natural spring water like the stuff where my aunt grew up? With fluoride levels so high she has the classic "mottled teeth" effect. Well, she's
nearly 80 and in good health, so it's clearly not that toxic."
Unionized, You are comparing something nature has worked on chemically to something man made. Apples and oranges. Nor do you state an analysis to show
proper comparison to your aunt's natural VS processed water. There are differences chemically and all of you know it. Also, none of these arguments
give consideration to long term effects on a microscopic scale of micro quantities either. Not even the earths natural filtration can handle
everything. Evidenced by my losing someone dear to me from leukemia, who grew up drinking well water in an area now known as a 'cancer cluster' from
PCB's and Benzine in the groundwater. Not one of you defending these man made additions to our water have total understanding of astoundingly complex
life processes and how they are affected by the addition of these chemicals. If you claim you do I will state right here you are lying. No one of you,
nor group of you, nor the combined total of all human knowledge can claim you do.
Bloggieboy, you have my permission to swill up all the industrial waste you desire. Just do not work in government writing regulations forcing this
stuff down the throats of me and my family. Fluorine you say. Hey, Chromium is good for the body also. Right from natural sources. Was that naturally
produced III or man made VI? Inquiring minds need to know. If it takes hyperbole to get the point across so be it. I see that as useful.
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If you are going to make silly noises about "natural is good and man-made is bad, at least learn some facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chromate_minerals
Chrome VI is natural too.
I'm not a huge fan of swilling industrial waste, but I will happily match you in a snorting contest. I will inhale water with a few micrograms of
industrial waste of your choice, if you snort the same mass of the perfectly natural (and therefore safe ) botulinum toxin.
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... I barely tolerate taking a shower in this evil brew and don't even make ice cubes unless it is composed of spring water. You know, the natural
stuff filtered far better by nature which humanity survived on for thousands of years. Far better than the cauldrons of industrial waste containing
witches brew called public water systems. You are debating over amounts and calling it safe if it is a little less poisonous than the pure sludge
leftover from nuclear fuel processing. Give me a break.
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The last few sentences suggest that the "natural stuff" is somehow superior to the water today. And look who's exaggerating here?
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Unionized, You are comparing something nature has worked on chemically to something man made. Apples and oranges. Nor do you state an analysis to show
proper comparison to your aunt's natural VS processed water. There are differences chemically and all of you know it. Also, none of these arguments
give consideration to long term effects on a microscopic scale of micro quantities either. Not even the earths natural filtration can handle
everything. Evidenced by my losing someone dear to me from leukemia, who grew up drinking well water in an area now known as a 'cancer cluster' from
PCB's and Benzine in the groundwater. Not one of you defending these man made additions to our water have total understanding of astoundingly complex
life processes and how they are affected by the addition of these chemicals. If you claim you do I will state right here you are lying. No one of you,
nor group of you, nor the combined total of all human knowledge can claim you do.
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Water fluoridation didn't begin until the 1940's or 1950's. By then, there had been numerous locales where fluoride concentrations were elevated
enough to discolor teeth. For thousands of years, humans have survived on water that is heavily contaminated with perfectly natural toxins -- arsenic,
fluoride, heavy metals and whatnot. So while there is a serious ethical concern when considering the fluoridation of water (in fact, I believe
individuals should have a choice whether they receive fluoridated tap water or not), there is no reason to demonize the poor halogen anion.
Nature does not have a "filtration system." Nature doesn't have anything that is built for humanity or built for life for the matter. Why? Because the
planet is not conscious. Indeed, our species has evolved in extraordinarily perfect conditions for life, but Earth is by no means flawless. Nature
produces toxins just as man produces toxins.
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Give me a break unionized I never espoused this claim to the level so many of you are saying. You exaggerate my words to the extreme and you know it.
If any one good thing comes out of this thread I hope it is Roscoe coming in and showing me how to post utube links where they come up with the
pictures instead of a line of text. Beyond that I see little use in this conversation. I should be allowed to state I prefer to drink natural water
and this fact be accepted in lieu of the endless barrage of exaggerations and attacks for it you all seem to bent upon perpetuating.
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Exaggerations. How ironic.
He's right though about something you can't seem to absorb: Just because spring water is "natural" does not mean that it is somehow better than
so-called processed water. I object to unauthorized fluoridation of water
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Truth is the water all belongs to the government now by concise and public EPA regulations, even if it is a well or spring on your own land. Even if
that land has been in your family for 200 years. I am not making this up research it for yourself. Thus they do not listen to the people and they put
whatever the hell they want to in your water. If in the interest of some government agency they will put one form or another of industrial waste
spewing entity right on top of the water table feeding your private well so your answer of "getting your own water" is doomed to failure anyway.
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Taken directly from the EPA website:
"Fluoride is voluntarily added to some drinking water systems as a public health measure for reducing the incidence of cavities among the treated
population. The decision to fluoridate a water supply is made by the State or local municipality, and is not mandated by EPA or any other Federal
entity. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provides recommendations about the optimal levels of fluoride in drinking water in order
to prevent tooth decay. "
The water "industry" is a monopoly that is controlled by municipal/state regulations. Indeed, a large portion of this monopoly is
government-controlled, but it still represents the commoditization of essential resources by a distinct "owner"; This can be considered evidence of
Lenin's proposed progression of Capitalism to Imperialism.
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Irc:
Perhaps I can interest you in a signed copy of Alex Jones’ new book: ‘The Great American Cull: How Big Government is Killing Americans with
Psychotropic Fluorides in Drinking Water’?
There’s nothing to disagree with re. rich_insane’s assertions.
Funny how you never hear anything about Botilinum in those 'natural' yoghurts and stuff. Hmmm...
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 | Irc:
Perhaps I can interest you in a signed copy of Alex Jones’ new book: ‘The Great American Cull: How Big Government is Killing Americans with
Psychotropic Fluorides in Drinking Water’?
There’s nothing to disagree with re. rich_insane’s assertions.
Funny how you never hear anything about Botilinum in those 'natural' yoghurts and stuff. Hmmm...
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You really are starting to worry me. Myself I would never go looking for a copy of that book nor would I be so infatuated with Jones that I would wish
a signed copy of it. Very scary if you ask me. All of your arguments are flawed. You cannot justify putting poison in water by pointing out poison
things in nature. If none of you see that what the hell are you wasting money on an education for? Just because Bonnie and Clyde robbed banks is no
justification for you doing the same. Yet this is precisely what many of you are doing. Go back to the story about the spring water so fluoridated by
nature his aunts teeth are mottled. This indicates reason to put it in even more water supplies? Your Clostridium is in honey and dirt as well.
Cyanide is in Cherries, Almonds, Apricots, Rhubarb, and so on. Should this then justify putting it in things not normally containing it? I do not
think so. Myself I prefer to drink the safest water I can, nor do I make a habit out of looking for danger in anything I do. Just common sense. You
people can drink whatever you wish it makes no difference to me. I don't have to live with it. Yet in a large number of posts many of you are opposing
my opinion and promoting fluorine in water by pointing to other bad things. The logic is so flawed it boggles the mind. By the way offering the book
is nothing more than a thinly veiled character attack against me for holding the position I do since so much Jones has to say consists of off the deep
end conspiracy theories. You are starting to tread in the realm of "argumentum ad hominem". I will point out however if we were under attack from
aliens it would not be less true just because a kook was telling me about it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrC | | Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 | Irc:
Perhaps I can interest you in a signed copy of Alex Jones’ new book: ‘The Great American Cull: How Big Government is Killing Americans with
Psychotropic Fluorides in Drinking Water’?
There’s nothing to disagree with re. rich_insane’s assertions.
Funny how you never hear anything about Botilinum in those 'natural' yoghurts and stuff. Hmmm...
[Edited on 5-2-2013 by blogfast25] |
You really are starting to worry me. Myself I would never go looking for a copy of that book nor would I be so infatuated with Jones that I would wish
a signed copy of it. Very scary if you ask me. All of your arguments are flawed. You cannot justify putting poison in water by pointing out poison
things in nature. If none of you see that what the hell are you wasting money on an education for? Just because Bonnie and Clyde robbed banks is no
justification for you doing the same. Yet this is precisely what many of you are doing. Go back to the story about the spring water so fluoridated by
nature his aunts teeth are mottled. This indicates reason to put it in even more water supplies? Your Clostridium is in honey and dirt as well.
Cyanide is in Cherries, Almonds, Apricots, Rhubarb, and so on. Should this then justify putting it in things not normally containing it? I do not
think so. Myself I prefer to drink the safest water I can, nor do I make a habit out of looking for danger in anything I do. Just common sense. You
people can drink whatever you wish it makes no difference to me. I don't have to live with it. Yet in a large number of posts many of you are opposing
my opinion and promoting fluorine in water by pointing to other bad things. The logic is so flawed it boggles the mind. By the way offering the book
is nothing more than a thinly veiled character attack against me for holding the position I do since so much Jones has to say consists of off the deep
end conspiracy theories. You are starting to tread in the realm of "argumentum ad hominem". I will point out however if we were under attack from
aliens it would not be less true just because a kook was telling me about it.
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Have we proved fluoride is poisonous yet? I think we've proved just the opposite. Fluoride still has no toxicological effects, and besides, what do
you think the big, bad (local) government(s) are doing by putting fluoride in water? Maybe... helping your teeth through better establishment of the
fluoroapatite layer that protect them through regulated limits in our water supply?
My point is, who cares? Why is fluoride suddenly such a horrible thing?
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Have we proved fluoride is poisonous yet? I think we've proved just the opposite. Fluoride still has no toxicological effects, and besides, what do
you think the big, bad (local) government(s) are doing by putting fluoride in water? Maybe... helping your teeth through better establishment of the
fluoroapatite layer that protect them through regulated limits in our water supply? My point is, who cares? Why is fluoride suddenly such a horrible
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It's not true that fluoride has no toxic effects -- fluoride is more toxic than other halides. But at the dose normally added to water, it is
not nearly as toxic as other compounds found in water. It's all a cost-benefit analysis. I personally would prefer NaF as a fluoride source rather
than hexafluorosilicate, but fluoride itself isn't inherently toxic a the EPA mandated maximum limit.
If you take so much of a problem with fluoride, then leave the fluoridated tap water to those who really don't care and find your own water source to
drink from.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Rich_Insane | | If you take so much of a problem with fluoride, then leave the fluoridated tap water to those who really don't care and find your own water source to
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If you had actually read my posts you would already know I do not drink tap water. Only spring water for over 40 years now. I have every bit as much
right to say it should not be in the water as you have to say it is so what really is your problem anyway.
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Incidentally, can someone tell me when, and where the epidemic was?
I seem to have missed it.
I mean the epidemic of diseases that started when they started fluoridating the water supply.
What? There wasn't one?
However not?
It's obvious that if they start putting toxic levels of stuff in the water then there will be a whole bunch of people suddenly poisoned.
Where are they?
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| Quote: Originally posted by unionised | Incidentally, can someone tell me when, and where the epidemic was?
I seem to have missed it.
I mean the epidemic of diseases that started when they started fluoridating the water supply.
What? There wasn't one?
However not?
It's obvious that if they start putting toxic levels of stuff in the water then there will be a whole bunch of people suddenly poisoned.
Where are they? |
On the Internet. They seem to be quite angry about their dental fluorosis. Never a word about their symptoms, though...
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| Quote: Originally posted by unionised | Incidentally, can someone tell me when, and where the epidemic was?
I seem to have missed it.
I mean the epidemic of diseases that started when they started fluoridating the water supply.
What? There wasn't one?
However not?
It's obvious that if they start putting toxic levels of stuff in the water then there will be a whole bunch of people suddenly poisoned.
Where are they? |
You miss the point here: it's all a cover up! Text books being changed to tell us that industrial waste, oooopsie, I meant small amounts of fluoride,
are beneficial, the EPA and CDCs being sworn to secrecy etc etc. Mean time people are dying like flies and dumped in mass graves under the cover of
darkness. Obama isn't just a Cohohohomunist, you know?
Irc: you're nuts. But I got that impression quite a while back.
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well i m sleepy so soon to bed but ill just add my to cents. Irc is right
they put F in water and claim its for teeth haha ... sounds infantile
like saying that oh my god a lot of people have got flu in the us.
let's put antibiotic in the tap water.
water is water not medicine.
somebody was asking if fluoride was established to be toxic?!
why would you ask that if you're on the web already? wikipedia lists it as toxic , with an ld50 of 52-200 mg/kg in rats
a lot of people recommend bottled water. i don't trust that stuff jack.
i remember there was a scandal where one of these companies making bottle water was caught selling straight tap water hahah?
and a lot bottled water contains fluoride at about the same concentration as US fluoridated water, openly written on the label.
In my country water isn't fluoridated to my knowledge, I do drink tap water, althogh i don;'t like it ; it smells and tastes like chlorine from the
disinfection, i believe they do that in the US with O3 , right?
you want best water make distilled water by yourself, that way you make sure you get the best water.
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| Quote: Originally posted by condennnsa | well i m sleepy so soon to bed but ill just add my to cents. Irc is right
they put F in water and claim its for teeth haha ... sounds infantile
like saying that oh my god a lot of people have got flu in the us.
let's put antibiotic in the tap water.
water is water not medicine.
somebody was asking if fluoride was established to be toxic?!
why would you ask that if you're on the web already? wikipedia lists it as toxic , with an ld50 of 52-200 mg/kg in rats
a lot of people recommend bottled water. i don't trust that stuff jack.
i remember there was a scandal where one of these companies making bottle water was caught selling straight tap water hahah?
and a lot bottled water contains fluoride at about the same concentration as US fluoridated water, openly written on the label.
In my country water isn't fluoridated to my knowledge, I do drink tap water, althogh i don;'t like it ; it smells and tastes like chlorine from the
disinfection, i believe they do that in the US with O3 , right?
you want best water make distilled water by yourself, that way you make sure you get the best water.
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No, it's not infantile. It's called a public health action and it's helping to decrease the statistical probability of cavities which would climb
because the modern society uses way more carbohydrates than before. Just like vaccines are used to lower the probability of one getting sick, plus
lowering the chances of epidemic via herd immunity.
Your comparison with antibiotics is ignorant. They don't prevent nor treat influenza because it's a viral disease.
Even if they did have an effect, it would take absolutely HUGE amounts of antibiotics to treat the population. The side effects would be
disastrous in the true sense of the word disaster.
I live where the amount of fluoride in water is roughly 0.1 ppm because the ground is basically karst and Ca2+ liberated from calcium
hydrogencarbonate captures some of the fluoride anions. In other places without karst the amount is higher. It's benign. Everyone brushes their teeth
using fluoride toothpastes, and small children use fluoride prophylaxis in the form of NaF pills and gel fluoridization. There's no dental fluorosis
and we're not having an epidemic of retarded children.
Bottled water is an expensive marketing scam for fancy people. If your tap water is fine for drinking, you don't need bottled water.
It shouldn't smell like chlorine all the time. There should be only a hint of "freshness" in it. Chlorine in water is harmless, but chloramines
aren't, and their concentration is too high when when you chlorinate too filthy water without previous treatment, which means that the water company
is not doing its job as it should.
Drinking distilled water all the time is a great way for purging the minerals out of your body. But then again, if you knew some biology (and you
don't), you'd know why it's not a healthy habit.
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yes, i am ignorant but to be honest i was thinking of the common cold when I was writing my post, but I didn't know that the flu was viral .
interesting
I was just trying to put out that if people are sick you don't put medicine in the water ... simple.
You don't have an epidemic of retarded children, but americans sure do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGs6oMaB5H0
and the distilled water argument i've heard ad nauseam amd it's bogus,
minerals in the water are such a tiny amount of the minerals the body ingests it's insignificant, It's the Food. but I agree that I don't know
biology. I really don't. never knew much of anything
but boy do i agree with you for calling bottled water for what it is.
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| Quote: Originally posted by condennnsa | yes, i am ignorant but to be honest i was thinking of the common cold when I was writing my post, but I didn't know that the flu was viral .
interesting
I was just trying to put out that if people are sick you don't put medicine in the water ... simple.
You don't have an epidemic of retarded children, but americans sure do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGs6oMaB5H0
and the distilled water argument i've heard ad nauseam amd it's bogus,
minerals in the water are such a tiny amount of the minerals the body ingests it's insignificant, It's the Food. but I agree that I don't know
biology. I really don't. never knew much of anything
but boy do i agree with you for calling bottled water for what it is.
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The problem with distilled water is not in the fact we don't receive our daily mineral requirements solely via drinking water.
It's the fact distilled water is completely hypotonic. There's nothing inside unless you count in small amounts of dissolved gases.
Relying on distilled water as main water intake will require dumping out more ions from the body. It's not a habit that will kill you or make
you sick, but it's additional job for the body osmotic systems. There's simply no need for it.
Of course, I'm talking about homemade distilled water.
Industrial distilled water, on the other hand, often contains traces of chemicals that are too dangerous, so having a habit of drinking it could be
bad for you in the long terms.
That's why pharmaceutical laboratories and factories use "pharma grade purified water" for mixing medicines.
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| Quote: Originally posted by condennnsa | I was just trying to put out that if people are sick you don't put medicine in the water ... simple.
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Except of course that unnecessary tooth decay was RIFE before fluorination of drinking water and the advent of fluorinated toothpaste and tablets like
'Zimafluor'. It's a PREVENTATIVE measure: you can't solve tooth decay RETROACTIVELY, except with ineffective fillings and dentures.
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I don't share the concept that I'm obligated to sacrifice, or possible risk my health because there are children whose parents don't bother to educate
themselves about dental hygiene and tooth decay. I have yet to see a good quality paper that shows any actual value from fluoridation. It scares me.
I have lived in places where the water is undrinkable from hex chrome and chlorinated methanes. Why take really could water and add something that
to say the least is controversial for the sake of some nanny agenda. Our society is being overtaken by school marms and their eunuch consorts.
"When you let the dumbasses vote you end up with populism followed by autocracy and getting back is a bitch." Plato (sort of)
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Justify calling me nuts for merely stating I would not drink water with Fluorine added to it. Seems to me this is merely a personal preference which I
have every right to hold concerning what I put in my body. Every right to state as well. You can drink your piss for all I care it 'neither picks my
pocket nor breaks my leg' to quote Jefferson. Was it Plato who said so long ago when the person you debate resorts to name calling they have lost the
debate. I know it was one of those old Greek guys. Who by the way never added Fluorine to their water either.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" Richard Feynman
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