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Mumbles
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I'm lucky enough to have several friends who work at the hardware store where I purchase most of my chems. I find out when suprise sales are in
advance, don't get questioned, and can buy more or less whatever I want. They don't know the full extent of my experimentation, but
they've seen some of the less harmful stuff. Crystalisation of Benzoic Acid is one so they don't question the toluene. That and I doubt
they know what the second T in TNT stands for.
I think the glassware laws here(wisconsin) are pretty lax. There is very little in the way of drugs besides pot, mushrooms, and some anti-depressant
pills. There is a large supplier of simple glassware and chemicas a half-hour away. No ground glass for me. No chemicals either, you need an
institution. I've been to a place in Milwaukee, it is chemist heaven. They have all the little odds and ends you'd normally have to buy
bulk, and very cheap. They have just totally random things. I mean who doesn't need a buchner funnel that is a foot in diameter?
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Quantum
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Good point Cyrus
I live in Virginia and the laws here are ok. I have no problem buying solvents, exotic metal salts, strong acids and bases ext at the local shops. I
buy my glassware online(no ground glass yet). Ill tell you one thing; there is nothing like getting an old man to buy your chems for you to avoid
trouble! I was gone and my grandad got me some KMnO<sub>4</sub>, some Tin Oxide(1lbs!) and about 40 test tubes, amber glass bottles and
vials with PP tops. Hes going to mail it all to me.
BTW: As some of you may remember my uber cool ceramic top, microchip controlled hotplate/stirrer broke about a month ago. I finaly found the problem.
A wire that supplied power to the heating coils popped up and came into contact with a circuit board. The heat destroyed one eched wire on the plate
and messed it up. I know a small shop where they fix computers and electronics. The guys there know linux and are cool. I bet I can get a good price
as all they need to do is solder a bridge wire between the 2 edges at the burnt part. I don't have very much skill so Im not going to try to
solder it myself and risk messing it up worse.
I agree with Cyrus! The government should be small. In fact I think the post office should be gotten rid of. Private companies can do good jobs with
packages so they will do well with letters. Competition will keep the price down.
Libertarian Party Site
If you want a small government that belives in freedom(chemical and otherwise) then look here. I think its got to start at the county and state level
first before trying to get into the house or senate(or whitehouse).
[Edited on 29-6-2004 by Quantum]
What if, what is isn\'t true?
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Cyrus
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I'm conservative. 
The libertarians have some good points.
And some bad ones. But that is OT, and I would have to study their views more before I could argue competantly. However, if you want, I could try.
I do not think that the "change to more liberty, happiness, and no questions toluene- (see, I said toluene, this is on topic!)" needs to
start at the county. It needs to start at the individual. Right now, individuals want security, and that is what they are going to get. Let me quote
something...
Perhaps some are familiar with this warning from Scots Historian, Professor Alexander Tyler circa 1787.
Re: The Fall of the Athenian Republic.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse
(generous gifts) from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the
public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
"The average age of the world's greatest [democratic] civilization has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this
sequence:
"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependence back into bondage."
In other words, don't expect the laws to get any less stiff until the bondage ends.  How it is going to end I will leave to your imagination...
in case you were wondering, that quote was quoted by me from
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:wLYGe7D9dGgJ:www.ahrc.com/new/index.php/src/news/sub/article/action/ShowMedia/id/539+%22from+bondage+to%22+%22fro
m+dependance%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
[Edited on 29-6-2004 by Cyrus]
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MadHatter
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Maryland
No laws on apparatus or chemicals I can find. Just the usual laws against
drugs and explosives.
From opening of NCIS New Orleans - It goes a BOOM ! BOOM ! BOOM ! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
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I think we can weed out the worst offenders in the US by their banning of unregistered 3-neck flasks. CA, TX, OH, any others?
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Magpie
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I could live without a 3-neck flask but having to register all glassware is the most Draconian and perverse law I've ever heard of. I lived in
Texas for a few months compliments of the US Air Force. I found Texans to be an independent minded lot and therefore find it surprising that they
would put up with this shit. I would think that they would prefer to just hang the meth makers.
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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thalium
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In Romania,Eurpe you can buy any kind of glassware, they don't ask you about age or what you use them for. You also don't have to register
them
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In New Zealand, which is a socialist country (and just as well it is - I'm a red-hot Socialist), you can buy any sort of glassware without any
sort of permission or license. The only limitation is that you could be charged with possessing instruments for drug use if you were busted by the
corrupt local Pigs with both drugs (or other evidence of drug use) and "bongs" for smoking drugs at the same time. I am working with the
local Green Party to try to get the law changed, and cannabis completely legalized and personal use of other drugs legalized.
As regards drug precursors, you have to identify yourself and have ytour name and address recorded when buying cold/flu medication containing
ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, of which only one packet at a time can be bought and only from pharmacies, in case you might be a drug baron who is
going to use the stuff to make methamphetamine. Similar preparations containing codeine can be similarly bought over the counter, without
identification but only one bottle or packet at a time.
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thalium
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In my country you need prescription for a lot of medicines and they introduced a new kind of prescription paper wich can't be counterfieted, or
at least not without a lot of work and equipment
I don\'t believe in ghosts but they believe in me
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jimwig
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viola the libertarian party aka freedom and liberty. I am tired of being of against things so I found a positive political focus.
well worth checking out
also keep in mind that a great deal of the "laws" on the books are a public relations campaign meaning that they look good and smell good to
the pathetic portion of the populace that needs to fund those agencies who shall protect them from themselves.
[Edited on 4-11-2004 by jimwig]
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Sandmeyer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by atombum
Pretty much everyone knows of Texas' ridiculous glassware laws (only criminals practice non-corporate based chemistry). |
Isn't it amazing? First the corporate entities get the same legal rights as a citizent, which is outrageous in itself, now they have more rights
than citizents.
[Edited on 17-10-2005 by Sandmeyer]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Quantum
BTW: As some of you may remember my uber cool ceramic top, microchip controlled hotplate/stirrer broke about a month ago. I finaly found the problem.
A wire that supplied power to the heating coils popped up and came into contact with a circuit board. The heat destroyed one eched wire on the plate
and messed it up. I know a small shop where they fix computers and electronics. The guys there know linux and are cool. I bet I can get a good price
as all they need to do is solder a bridge wire between the 2 edges at the burnt part. I don't have very much skill so Im not going to try to
solder it myself and risk messing it up worse.
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Listen, if you haven't already had it fixed, you CAN do it yourself. There is a standard "fix-it" material called "Nickel
print" and "Copper print" that is a micron metal paint for repairing or enhancing printed circuit boards. You simply paint across the
burnt portion! It works VERY well I have been using it for years. You can buy it at electronic stores; it's a common item amongst electronic
geeks Like me....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jimwig
viola the libertarian party aka freedom and liberty. I am tired of being of against things so I found a positive political focus.
well worth checking out
also keep in mind that a great deal of the "laws" on the books are a public relations campaign meaning that they look good and smell good to
the pathetic portion of the populace that needs to fund those agencies who shall protect them from themselves.
[Edited on 4-11-2004 by jimwig] |
I agree completely and was a great supporter of the Libertairian party for many years but they lost me when they made a joke out of an election in NY
some 15 years back...they ran a stupid radio show host instead of a true Libertarian Party guy. I was very angry with them for wasting the time and
effort of their supporters - even though I have never lived in NY and know that they ran the guy for publicity (plus they didn't have a guy lined
up but did have a ballot space). But it was a very bad move; people looked at them as a joke and the Libertarian concept is NOT a joke.
I wrote the National HQ & told them that was a very bad move, etc; they wrote back telling me that they felt the same but NY went off on it's
own...so....I still feel they have some great ideas but some of them don't take the 3rd party concept seriously and that is a serious problem.
This country (USA) NEEDS a 3rd (or 4th) Party to develop some choices & evolve some dialog!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by quicksilver
This country (USA) NEEDS a 3rd (or 4th) Party to develop some choices & evolve some dialog! |
Someone needs to bring back the Bull-Moose party.
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mick
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In the past being a technician I have been able to sign for chemicals and order just about anything (except radioactive stuff worse than uranyl
nitrate). Someone wants 1,1,1trichloroethane for a solvent in a reaction and the order does not turn up. After getting the end of use form you have to
log into the EU web site and get an Ozone depeliting ID number, give the information and you get a pass word etc
mick
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