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Yes, that would be the optimal solution to this particular problem. It seems that most researchers are focusing on Fe(II) compounds rather than
Fe(III), most likely because it forms complexes that are more suited as energetics. I admit that I don't know quite enough about complex chemistry to
say exactly why that should be the case.
I would be more comfortable with Fe(III) compounds since it feels like they should be more stable. On the other hand, many Fe(II) salts are very
stable when not in solution, so maybe oxidative decomposition won't necessarily be a problem.
At the moment I'm working on some Fe(II) complexes:
The old "Green primaries" one from Los Alamos, and also the [Fe(4-ATRI)n](ClO4)2 one I wrote about earlier. It may be possible to mix it with
something (AgNT maybe) to make it DDT faster while keeping the sensitivity low.
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Quote: Originally posted by Microtek  | I think the route through [Ni(NH3)6](ClO4)2 is your best bet. It is also a beautiful reaction in itself. There are a number of ways in the patent,
have you tried following those without attempting to alter it in some way?
Why would you boil it for 20-25 minutes? I think you would risk decomposing the aminoguanidine which is not very stable in the presence of air.
By the way, I synthesized the copper complex, simply following the directions in the patent. It works as described and produces striking violet
crystals. It is not as good as NAP and it remains to be seen how storage stable it is, but I can affirm that it is definitely not fake.
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A user here posted showing that the copper salt is more brisant when confided in a sand crushing test. That post must have been deleted by the user.
It is also less sensitive than NAP, not sure about uNAP. One user reported it is hard to make without excess ammonium perchlorate but I am sure that
is easy for you to figure out. With crystal modification I think it shows more promise than NAP, but it precipitates right away so maybe the reaction
needs to be done during sonificstion… as it is a room temp reaction. From what I have read it is DDTs in as little at 20mg poorly confined in foil.
Please let us know what you come up with! I would be anxious to hear about crystal modification because in all of the pictures the crystals are about
.1mm in size. Reports indicate it stores well for years but there maybe increased sensitivity… I don’t know why, or if too many unreacted
byproducts were left from a non ideal synth. I suppose any amount of copper oxide would increase sensitivity greatly as it does to all pyrotechnic
mixtures.
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For right now, my attention is firmly focused on the Fe complexes of 4-ATRI with perchlorate anions. Regarding the CAP, I haven't done extensive tests
with it, though since I have it on hand I could probably investigate a little.
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I decided to buy more aminoguanadine bicarbonate and... I noticed something. There is a significant difference in texture and color between my old
purchase (which as far as I know has not changed since I got it some 2 and a half years ago) and the new one.
I pictured my stuff below and marked them. The fine white powder is the new purchase, while the one to its right is the old, it is chunky and not
necessarily entirely white.
I won't be able to make another synth for another week or so, but if I make another synth and it all works out fine then I will be one very unhappy
mad scientist... I almost bought from my original supplier, but I am glad I didn't. If it works I will buy another from the same guy I got this batch
from and it should be happy, if a little poorer.
I hope the original ammonium perchlorate supply I have is good. Or maybe I will just use some of my lithium perchlorate (I don't think I'll be making
Lithex, LL. sorry...) to make more confirmed ultra pure stuff.
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My aminoguanidine is a buff coloured clumped fine powder that's spent 20 years in a hot tin shed. It works fine. Your problem is almost certainly your
perchlorate.
Bis(aminoguanidine)nickel(II) bromate (NAB) is not stable. The two week old crystalline sample is now an inert brown powder. NAP stored the same, is
fine after over a month.
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ManyInterests......Lithex is too simple to make. There's nothing to mess with. You'll have much more trouble and fun making NAP......
Development of primarily - secondary substances: CHP (2015) neutral CHP and Lithex (2022) Brightelite (2023) Nitrocelite and KC primer (2024) Diper
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NAP laser initiation
According to the German patent, NAP is laser sensitive. I´ve done some testing and would like to share my first results with you.
The laser pointers were bought from chinese suppliers. The three small are rated with 200 milliwatt , whereas the big (strong) blue is rated with
2000 milliwatt output. Beam diameter between 3 and 5 millimeter, beam not focussed.
Only the strong blue was able to initiate my NAP samples. I want to emphazise that this is just a preliminary result with two NAP samples irradiated
out of my wrist. Surely more and better testing is necessary to get reliable results.
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I think the term "laser sensitive primary" is a little strange. If a laser is strong enough to burn things, it should obviously be able to set off
most primaries eventually. I would guess that the term involves another, faster mechanism than simple radiative heating...
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I guess that the initiation of my NAP sample isn´t just thermal heating, if you compare the initiation velocity with the thermal ignition of a piece
blackmatch/quickmatch:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BP26RYYM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_a...
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From what I've read in the papers that talk of laser sensitive primaries, it seems to be micro- or nano second response times. To me, this indicates
direct excitation of the chemical bonds as when a compound selectively absorbs only some wave lengths and therefore appears coloured. I haven't read
any theoretical papers on this, it is simply inferred from the remarks in experimental works.
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Thus principle a like excitation Cl + H gas mixture by laser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoC8LrNdnOc
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Yes, something like that.
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OK, I am prepping to make more perchlorates (as that might well be the main culprit) but before that, I finally got around to trying to do one more
iNAP synthesis.
I measured out the reagents, but this time I am using a huge excess of isopropyl alcohol. Dugan said that he would use around 35 to 40ml. The last
time I tried it I used 75ml and let it run at high heat/stirring for 12 minutes until the solvent ran low.
This time I am using 100ml of 91% isopropyl, and I will be letting it run for 20 minutes or until the solvent is starting to run below 30ml. Let's see
what happens.
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IT WORKS!
I was probably swindled on my original aminoguandine bicarb! The iNAP pops
like a motherfucker! YES! IT WORKS!
Edit: I made a 2nd synth. The first picture (lighter colored stuff) is the first synth and it works. I got around 1.22g of yield. The 2nd synth is the
second one and it is currently drying. It reacted a little differently... it took 20 minutes to do it instead of 17.5 minutes. I think it is because I
kept the doors and windows opened that lowered the temp, but I almost ran out of solvent and I did see some of the rose colored stuff starting to
form. I hope it works just as well.
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Decided to do it a third time (because why not?) The 2nd time after it dried up was not as effective as the first, but it still popped. I am glad I am
starting to get some results. I used 100ml of 91% IPA, but I think I used too much. The run time was a little over 20 minutes since something was up
with the heating. I noticed that the reaction doesn't really start to kick in until the solvent is starting to run lower, so perhaps using too much of
an excess is what caused it to get a little weaker.
This one was almost (and I mean almost) 20 minutes, but I had to let it out since it was almost fully dry. the color only started to get to the
reddish/salmon rose towards the absolute end, which is concerning to me. but at any rate, I will wait for it to dry before trying some more. I will
wait until tomorrow because I don't want to wake up any neighbors.
 
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