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Strange Fast Rusting
My lab is in my basement, and lately I have noticed that things there are rusting at an inordinate rate. Even stainless steel is not immune, although
it is resistant. I'm starting to get worried about my pipes, which are cast iron. The rusting is centered around my workbench in about a 20 foot
radius. Is there some gas I could be producing that accelerates rusting? I've heard that HCl causes rust, but I haven't worked with it for about a
month and a half, and my bottle in storage is tightly sealed. Is the rust caused by HCl delayed in action?
If people want, I can provide pictures, but I don't think that they would help much. It looks just like normal rust.
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It's likely the HCl. Even if you think it's tightly sealed, it escapes.
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HCl is the worst stuff for metals, keep it outside as I do, I used to keep it inside, but I deeply regret it.
I never asked for this.
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HCl for sure and chlorine also and it keeps rusting and rusting forever and ever until the end of time.i have rusted shelves,nail heads,tools,tool
box,bottle caps and lids,LAB STAND,screws,nails.i work around rust always which leads me to ask,what is it?iron chloride?iron oxide?i figured it was
iron chloride of sorts because i had to shoo my dog away from it because he always licking on it. s.o.b. would even push against me trying to get at
it.
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<a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iron+rust&l=1" target="_blank">rust</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />
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| Quote: | | i figured it was iron chloride of sorts because i had to shoo my dog away from it because he always licking on it. s.o.b. would even push against me
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Your dog may have anaemia which could be caused by infection . . .
Have a vet check him/her out just in case?
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A Einstein
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It's probably HCl vapours. It can't be stopped by rubber stoppers. The only way to stop it is to have the acid in a bottle made for hydrochloric acid.
One bottle per <10 m^2 of room area that is always ventilated.
Occasional use of WD-40 is recommended, as well as grease on suitable metallic parts.
If you store acids in cabinets, their hinges will suffer a lot and will eventually fail. I use cabinets for flammable, organic stuff only, and the
mineral acids go on the shelves equipped with plastic trays. The lab is passively vented all the time and that's the best way because if the
electricity fails, the active venting stops. If you're out of the lab for extended periods of time, your lab is gonna have a bad time.
And check your dog. Dogs don't normally have the need to search for iron. Let him have more red meat and go to the vet.
[Edited on 27-7-2013 by Endimion17]
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Thanks for the advice. I will move my HCl bottle outside and see if it helps.
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otherwise having some very low concentrated ammonia water without lid on standing centered with your acids should do the trick also? 
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i kept some 31% HCl in my bathroom and it corroded the chrome plating on the tap, to bright green,
and rusted all the exposed steel and other metals. everything's corroded now
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This is very true. I have two bottles, one of ammonia, and one of hydrochloric acid. After only 2 weeks standing next to each other, fluffy white
powder began to appear, mostly around the lids of both bottles.
Another idea would be to wrap the container in a large sealed plastic bag. And attach a sacrificial anode to the pipe, a strip of Mg.
[Edited on 27-7-2013 by AndersHoveland]
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I store my acids in a large Rubbermaid plastic tub, with a few inches of baking soda layered on the bottom. This serves as spill protection, and fume
absorption. I've kept this inside in my lab for a year or two, and there's very little rusting evident. I'm sure the seal isn't perfect, but it seems
to keep fume escape to a minimum.
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I have had a similar problem. Could those who know comment on the effectiveness of the following practices for absorbing leaching HCL gas in a closed,
but not airtight rubbermaid containing holding several L or HCL in HDPE containers:
1) An open, half filled bottle of water - I know HCL is highly soluble in water, but worry about the water VAPOR wetting all surfaces in the box,
essentially covering them with HCL.
2) Open container of Sodium bicarbonate
3) Open container of NaOH
The hope is to only have to change this once a year, and stongly lower risk to rusting everything in my basement.
Thanks,
Chuck
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HCl is the most famous rust inducer,
but chlorine is similar
(eg from a 'sealed' bottle of TCCA, strong hypochlorite solution etc.)
Presently I keep all of my liquids outdoors (shaded from weather)
When I kept all my chemicals in my lab/shed I kept acids and bases in the same large non-airtight plastic tub with a lid.
Everything slowly got covered In white powder,
mostly ammonium chloride I guessed.
Very little corrosion of nearby steel.
I have one bottle of volatile acid that I've surrounded by calcium carbonate in a fairly large imperfectly sealed plastic tub.
So far so good.
Any concentration of HCl above the azeotrope at 20% will loose HCl vapour quickly,
So diluting HCl to below 20% will reduce, but not eliminate the rate of release and the vapour pressure.
CAUTION : Hobby Chemist, not Professional or even Amateur
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I had similar issues after rusting my storage cabinet with HCl. I found these gasket sealed storage tubs at Walmart and filled the bottom with sodium
carbonate and covered the layer in paper towels. This has allowed me to store my acid indoors without any issues so far.
[Edited on 23-10-2024 by esquizete_electrolysis]
[Edited on 23-10-2024 by esquizete_electrolysis]
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