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Scaleup woes - Reduction of Nitrostyrenes to Nitroalkanes
Hey guys, what's currently the best/cleanest/most scalable reaction for the Reduction of Nitrostyrenes to Nitroalkanes? The ones i am familiar with
diminish in yields very drastically upon scaling up beyond a few grams of substrate.
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Quote: Originally posted by stoichiometric_steve  | Hey guys, what's currently the best/cleanest/most scalable reaction for the Reduction of Nitrostyrenes to Nitroalkanes? The ones i am familiar with
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One-pot Reduction of Nitrostyrenes to Phenethylamines using Sodium Borohydride and Copper(II) chloride
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Hey Solo, that's among the ones i know that don't scale, also wrong target product sadly!
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Aust. J. Chem., 1996, 49, 1257-1260
The Yeast-Mediated Reduction of Nitrostyrenes
in Organic Solvent Systems
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Reduction of Nitrostyrenes?
Catalytic Hydrogenation, via Platinum Black, in an Acetic environment. Glacial Acetic Acid, with a molar equivalent of Sulfuric Acid, makes a nice
solvent mix. Without a strong mineral acid present, extensive polymerization may take place.
Yields vary, but it isn't a difficult process.
Strike, discusses the reduction in one of his writings. Uses HCl, as I recall. Produces Mescaline.
Back in the 1900s, a German chap, used Glacial Acetic acid and Sulfuric acid, also to produce Mescaline.
Check the literature. Once upon a time, I translated the paper.... It wasn't easy!
Yields are in the 65% range (for Mescaline). The reduction is very exothermic, and as such, stirring your hydrogenation is much superior to shaking
it. Easier to control the heat in a stationary flask. Just cool your flask.
Not so easily done in the case of a shaken flask. Yields are highly dependent on the substituents attached to the Benzene Ring.
As far as I know, Hydrogenation is futile if you are attempting to reduce Nitropropenyl Benzenes, directly to the Amine. Keto-Oximes are more
difficult to reduce than Aldehyde Oximes. In the case of Nitropropenyl Benzenes, the reduction stops at the Oxime stage.
In the past, some forum members have suggested that, Amalgamated Aluminum can reduce Nitropropenyl Benzenes directly to Phenylisopropylamines, but I
have no direct knowledge of this matter.
Oh yes! I forgot to mention. This hydrogenation proceeds nicely at STP.
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There are different methods used depending of the target nitroalkane, maybe you can be little more specific?
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I meant 2-Nitroethenylbenzenes, possibly with substituents at the ring,reduced to the corresponding Nitroalkane.
I did find a paper that uses a 2 step, one pot sequence to the Amine, albeit with an expensive homogenous Rh based catalyst for the Alkene reduction,
and only ~40% total yield of the Amine. Might be worth it if the Rh catalyst can be bound on a resin support and thus made into a flow chemistry
cartridge
Paper
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Hey Steve,
I know someone with the same issue. They'd like to reduce ~300 g of 2,5-DMNS to the phenethylamine.
Likely going to reduce to the nitroalkane with NaBH4 in DCM. Then reduce to the amine with 10% Pd/C + KOOCH in Methanol with ~5% water.
If you have access to Me3SiCl then you could do both reductions with LiBH4/NaBH4 https://doi.org/10.1002/anie.198902181
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Hey Dope Amine, thank you for your input. I have previously used BF3*Et2O with NaBH4 (which should mechanistically be the same, as BH3 is the actual
reducing agent) for this kind of reduction and have found it to be rather inconvenient even at small scale. Not that this would definitively exclude
it but i am an extremely lazy fucker and thus am always looking for more practical methods.
What's most limiting for me is not access to reagents or equipment but rather the aspect of working all alone on things that most people really have
no interest in or simply don't understand.
I wish reduction of the double bond of Nitrostyrenes was as easy as the aqueous NaBH4/PTC reduction of 2-nitropropenylbenzenes. The yields are
stellar, conditions are so, so tame and workup is a breeze.
So yeah, if anyone has a proven method that works reliably at a scale of several hundred grams, that would be awesome!
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...why not the old stand by wth amalgamated aluminum...it will remove double bonds and convert nitrates to amines.....solo
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| Quote: Originally posted by solo | | ...why not the old stand by wth amalgamated aluminum...it will remove double bonds and convert nitrates to amines.....solo |
Hey Solo, not the worst idea actually. Have you run this on a scale of several hundred grams?
I've persobally never touched Al/Hg, my shtick is NaBH4 and Pd/C if i want amines. So any input on how to run an Al/Hg safely on this scale would be
welcome!
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...remember this,
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=30297....
and yes amalgamated aluminum is used making hundred of liters of methamphetamine down south...it works fine...solo
PS...remember also this and gallium ...
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=30297
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Thank you solo, did you mean to put the same link twice?
If anyone can direct me to an Al/Hg scaled to a few hundred grams that would be much appreciated. I'd do it myself but my health these days is
absolute ass.
For anyone else dealing with Long Covid, there was a paper recently where it was shown that IgG from LC patients injected into mice precipitated LC
symptoms.
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...here is some reading material which may help...solo
hxxps://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/synthetikal/www.synthetikal.com/synthforum/about1291.html
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300g can definitely be done with NaBH4/CuCl2 if that is what the discussion is about.
I have reduced 237g of the 2,5-DMNS recently with a 51% yield on cleaned 2c-h oxalate.
I would suggest to use a 10 L 3-neck flask with overhead stirring and a bucket with an ice-salt-water mix for the NS addition. Have plenty of ice
ready. You will need to change the water in the bucket and add ice. Addition of the NS will take 1h 30 - 2h to keep under 25 C. Try to wait for the
yellow colour to go away before adding another 5 or so spoonfuls.
It seemed that 2,5-DMNS was more reactive than 3,4,5-TMNS, had to take the addition a bit slower.
As for the copper chloride addition, I did it in one shot.
Transfer to a 10 L + beaker, begin overhead stirring there, cover with something. Drop in one shot into the vortex created by the overhead stirrer.
There will be a massive cloud of Hydrogen gas, and a woosh, but should result in little spillage. The key is the straight walls of the beaker, if you
drop into a 3 neck flask, it will spout a crazy volcano. Drops of copper riding on that hydrogen cloud that never even made it to the bottom.
Transfer back to 3-neck flask. Begin reflux. Be careful with addition of heat and stirring, boiling can become very violent quickly. This is where I
lost about 10% of my product. Some product boiled over. This part was a total flop, could not even reflux, had an open system but still managed an ok
yield.
So 300g probably a 10L reaction flask.
200g you could get away with a 6L one.
Transfer to a 10L+ beaker for the CuCl2 drop.
If one is neater than me, it is well possible to hit 60%+ yields even with 300g.
One could probably run 500g 2,5-DMNS, but at that scale I would add the copper in portions.
Or try catalytic hydrogenation at this point?
Sorry if that was not what the question was about.
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I have never tried the rxn myself, but I'm pretty sure that the Hantzsch ester reduction of nitroalkenes to the saturated nitro compounds will scale
up just fine, since the kJ per mole is very low and the reduction mechanism is straightforward. So no funny business.
It is practically never used due to the difficulty of obtaining the Hantzsch ester. But if you want to produce a lot of nitroalkane for some reason,
it may be worth it to make it from acetoacetate + ammonia + formaldehyde by the lit route, which can produce lots.
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