Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: What's inside the dry fuel tablets
DennyDevHE77
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 167
Registered: 15-9-2014
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 28-12-2023 at 03:00
What's inside the dry fuel tablets


I ran out of chemically pure urotropine (for HMTD), had to go to a fishing store and buy dry fuel.

When I decided to burn one to test it, I found out that after burning there was a black sponge of something unclear. (pictured).

A google search indicated that usually dry fuel tablets are pressed with a small amount of paraffin or wax. But when you try to dissolve the tablet in water, it dissolves without residue. So I think that it can be a black residue when burning.....

And what do you think, if HMTD is so badly soluble in everything, is it possible to make it from such tablets, and then successively wash with acetone and gasoline? Maybe that would remove all the unnecessary stuff.

20231228_140938.jpg - 1.5MB 20231228_143707.jpg - 825kB 20231228_143719.jpg - 1.3MB

[Edited on 28-12-2023 by DennyDevHE77]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Microtek
National Hazard
****




Posts: 872
Registered: 23-9-2002
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 28-12-2023 at 03:30


I would recommend purifying the hexamine (if that is what it is) before using it in a synthesis. You could precipitate it as a salt, and then freebase it if you couldn't use the salt directly such as when using HDN in RDX synthesis.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
RustyShackleford
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 200
Registered: 10-12-2020
Location: Northern Europe
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 28-12-2023 at 03:33


i would just buy another brand of tablets. Doesnt seem worthwhile to purify if it dissolves in water.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
OneEyedPyro
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 280
Registered: 7-10-2015
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 28-12-2023 at 04:57


You could do a small test extraction with chloroform or MeOH and see if whatever impurity is in there might be insoluble in those solvents I suppose.
95% of what's out there for fuel tabs is trioxane these days which is also water soluble. Are you certain its hexamine to begin with?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Sir_Gawain
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 457
Registered: 12-10-2022
Location: [REDACTED]
Member Is Offline

Mood: Stable

[*] posted on 28-12-2023 at 10:43


While the popular Esbit brand contains trioxane and possibly other contaminants, the Coghlans brand is nearly pure hexamine. I’ve used them without purification to make RDX, and got a good yield. You may be able to purify your tablets by recrystallizing from water. Hexamine has retrograde solubility, so dissolve in cold water and warm it to precipitate the hexamine.



“Alchemy is trying to turn things yellow; chemistry is trying to avoid things turning yellow.” -Tom deP.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Etanol
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 190
Registered: 27-2-2012
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 1-1-2024 at 11:02


This is not a trioxan. Trioxan does not leave carbon when burning.
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top