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Quote: Originally posted by dextro88  | Even more OTC, colect a thousands of apple seeds, crush them and extract your cyanide xd im
amased noone mention this  I also see a lot of drugs mentioned, probably a DOX
series overdose or NBOMES are very bad way to die, imagine overdosing on one of these, or the fentalogues in the 10000+ potency of morphine, a few ug
can be enough.
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There are far better ways to get cyanide and none of the other things you mentioned are OTC
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Hey hear me out. What about methanol? OK, one cannot die from milligrams of methanol, but One could replace the ethanol with methanol in some
alcoholic brew, given, that the person is willing to drink. 10ml can make one blind and as little as 15ml could kill. Easy in so many ways.
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Methanol is indeed an insidious poison. It cannot be distinguished from ethanol by any practical means, but it has orders of magnitude higher
lethality. If ethanol beverage is contaminated with sufficient amount, the result will be fatal because a lot of ethanol is required to displace it in
metabolism.
"Fun" fact: there has been zero recorded methanol poisonings from home-distilled liquors ever. It has always been adulterated with added methanol,
either unknowingly or accidentally. Tired of noting people on this myth when they always jump on their back feet when talking about home distilling.
Not an actual form of chemophobia, but some false myths die hard.
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I don't really follow Fyndium. Sounds like their point stands, if you don't know what you're doing you could very easily poison yourself.
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methanol 10mL will do the trick. that's why often mix with bitter chemicals.
Ethylene glycol is moderately toxic, with an oral LD50 = 786 mg/kg for humans. The major danger is due to its sweet taste hence adding of bitter
flavoring (denatonium benzoate) to antifreeze.
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I find the fact that methanol tastes sweet to be practical in some circumstances but I would probably measure the boiling point to be sure.
There are certainly practical means to distinguish them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by njl | | I don't really follow Fyndium. Sounds like their point stands, if you don't know what you're doing you could very easily poison yourself.
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Methanol is not formed in such quantities in fermentation it would cause issues. When fractionating ethanol, the very first distillates contain a lot
of impurities, which methanol forms minority, and if this stuff is draught as is, it could cause issues, but if it is mixed even with a little of
further distillates, the concentration of harmful compounds fall below risk. Major issue is that foreshots and heads taste so nasty I don't think
anyone would want to actually drink them, people instead do a lot of work to get rid of them. There are a couple of threads of very good analysis on
this matter on homedistiller forum. I collected them all and used the foreshots as rinsing solvents, and tails I used as a substitute for low quality
ethanol.
If you put two bottles of alcohol, other one contains 40% of ethanol and other is same strength, but 50% of the ethanol is replaced with methanol,
there is no really any practical way to tell which one contains what, unless you actually get special tools like distillation setups, etc. That's why
I consider methanol to be relatively much more dangerous than many actual poisons, because one could get poisoned without any warning as it is so
close of potable alcohol, but still a totally different chemical.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium |
If you put two bottles of alcohol, other one contains 40% of ethanol and other is same strength, but 50% of the ethanol is replaced with methanol...
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... then someone is actively trying to kill you or , at best, really doesn't care if they kill you or not.
That's possible, but in that case, you probably won't last long anyway.
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But you ain't gonna drink bleach or paint thinner, or if you were, you'd just spit it out the second you taste it.
There are cases of accidental or careless poisonings when people have draught un- or mislabeled bottles. There's a case where a guy had put windshield
washing fluid in an old alcohol bottle and peeled off all labels, and someone happened to break into his car, took the bottle and drank it. Thief end
up dead, guy end up in court. Found not guilty, though, saved by peeling off labels.
Perhaps the most common is by using different car products as substitute alcohol. Some ethanol based stuff just tastes very gross, but is cheap and
gets you wasted af if your stomach can handle it. Reason why EU pulled methanol from consumer products.
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Acetaminophen. While it's not fatal in mg amounts, ten grams given on a few occasions, since it's toxicity depends on the individual. It's absolutely
innocuous to buy hundreds of tablets, nobody will take notice. If you extract it from the pills and purify it, it's tasteless. It could easily be
cooked in a meal without notice. When the toxicology is done it will look like the thousands of other accidental or intentional deaths due to it every
year. Last time I looked at the stats, it killed more people every year than prescription narcotics. It's also a terrible, painful death due to liver
failure. Truly an awful thing to be poisoned with.
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The toxic effects of acetaminophen are amplified by ethanol. If you imbibe, don't keep it around.
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Considering that getting wasted and curing the hangover with some painkillers is pretty much the routine for majority of the human race and yet most
of them survive year after year without noticeable health effects, I wouldn't consider minor use a risk. I have always avoided painkillers though when
I have been under alcohol influence.
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grapefruit with pharmaceuticals. can be lethal in some cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit%E2%80%93drug_interactions
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10% hydrofluoric acid is sometimes sold as rust remover, so if one would spill some on the skin could die quite easily. I also noticed that those gold
test bottles contain potassium dichromate (and chromium trioxide)!
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrishJeremy | | Acetaminophen. While it's not fatal in mg amounts, ten grams given on a few occasions, since it's toxicity depends on the individual. It's absolutely
innocuous to buy hundreds of tablets, nobody will take notice. If you extract it from the pills and purify it, it's tasteless. It could easily be
cooked in a meal without notice. When the toxicology is done it will look like the thousands of other accidental or intentional deaths due to it every
year. Last time I looked at the stats, it killed more people every year than prescription narcotics. It's also a terrible, painful death due to liver
failure. Truly an awful thing to be poisoned with. |
I've heard of really stupid people taking 100 codeine and acetaminophen
and while they were hospitalized these idiots still lived. A one-off
large dose probably won't be fatal
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There are many varieties of common mushrooms rich in amatoxins, some as seemingly innocent as the little brown ones on your lawn:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pholiotina_rugosa
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I am pleased the old chestnut answer of 'l e ad..travelling at 3637mps is prett y lethal hehe' has not been trotted out.
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Well, if we escalate things, any matter can be considered hazardous if it were to come in contact with antimatter. The mere rest mass energy is about
20 megatons per kg of useful energy, rest of the total of 50MT apparently dissipates as neutrinos.
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We need a stickied thread on OTC antimatter ASAP
Reflux condenser?? I barely know her!
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I vehemently agree.
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Kidney bean wiki says
Red kidney beans contain relatively high amounts of phytohemagglutinin, and thus are more toxic than most other bean varieties if not pre-soaked and
subsequently heated to the boiling point for at least 10 minutes. The US Food and Drug Administration recommends boiling for 30 minutes to ensure they
reach a sufficient temperature long enough to completely destroy the toxin.[2] Cooking at the lower temperature of 80 °C (176 °F), such as in a slow
cooker, can increase this danger and raise the toxin concentration up to fivefold.[3] Canned red kidney beans, though, are safe to use immediately, as
they are cooked prior to being shipped. As few as five raw beans or a single undercooked kidney bean can cause severe nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and
abdominal pains.
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The major effect of bean toxicity is prominent flatulence. Recovery occurs within four or five hours of onset, usually without the need for any
medical intervention.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BauArf56 | | 10% hydrofluoric acid is sometimes sold as rust remover, so if one would spill some on the skin could die quite easily. I also noticed that those gold
test bottles contain potassium dichromate (and chromium trioxide)! |
When I worked at a pharmacy in the 90-ies chromium trioxide was something you should put in your nose when nosebleeding...
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| Quote: Originally posted by BauArf56 | | 10% hydrofluoric acid is sometimes sold as rust remover, so if one would spill some on the skin could die quite easily. I also noticed that those gold
test bottles contain potassium dichromate (and chromium trioxide)! |
1%, not 10%
| Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium | | The major effect of bean toxicity is prominent flatulence. Recovery occurs within four or five hours of onset, usually without the need for any
medical intervention. |
Maybe if you only buy canned beans. Raw beans are in fact very toxic as the previous poster said, due to phytohaemagglutinins. Beans must be boiled
(not merely heated) for at least ten minutes in order to be safe to consume, although, for taste reasons, most people would cook them longer.
[Edited on 16-5-2021 by clearly_not_atara]
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Idk if found easily in nature counts for over the counter, but digitoxin found in fox glove (digitalis) is extremely deadly. I think the ld/50 is like
100ug/kg. If memory serves me right I think it has the added bonus of not being easily detected or breaking down quickly. I could be remembering
incorrectly though
Edit: looks like I was wrong. The amount I listed above is the lower end toxic dose. Lethal dose is 20-50 times the maintenance dose which is a few
milligrams
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