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Loocking for some OTC Emulsifier for AN/Paraffine/Mineral oil ect. sytems
Hi guys,
I wanted to experiment with such emulsions for some time, but all formulas I could find ask for some polymeric emulsifiers I cant get simply OTC.
Is there any common product that can be "abused" in its place and does the job in a usable way?
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Disinfecting wipes such as those branded Lysol® generally use a solution of quaternary ammoniums in water with a few fragrance agents and not much
else. If you squeeze out the liquid, you may be able to extract the PTC, or use it as-is, hoping the fragrance agents don't cause an issue. Heating in
vaccuum above 100 C for a few hours should get rid of volatiles.
Although, when fucking around with ammonium nitrate and oil, maybe it's best not to take chances...
[Edited on 28-4-2017 by clearly_not_atara]
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Will the emulsifying ability of soaps/detergents/cleaners (anionic, cationic or non-ionic) be effective into anhydrous media like AN/Mineral oil?
I highly doubt about it...usually you need water...then you are playing with "emulsion slurries"...
If it is the case then normally any soap will do...because to acheive emulsion you only need a very little amount of soap...the amount is determined
by the critical micellar/micelle concentration.
You may also need to increase viscosity of the media to get a gellous stuf with agar-agar, alginate/Ca(2+) couple, painted wall paper glue
(alkyl-hydroxy-cellulose or alkyl-hydroxy-cellulose acetate)...
[Edited on 28-4-2017 by PHILOU Zrealone]
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use soap for the emulsifier and red gaur gum for the thickener. some industry emulsions also have a small amount of nitric acid mixed in and
hexamine..
Dont forget the microabaloons!
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Cheat...
Use some of the NH4NO3, water & starch.
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You probably overlooked that this cheat mixture is sensitized by 20% nitroglycerine
What would destroy the simplicity of the concept.
Thickener is no problem, guar gum is easy to get.
But I need to have an emulsion first, thats what maked the whole stuff so interesting.
Real emulsions can have 5000m/s at densities much greater than typical ANFO.
This is really interesting stuff. I wonder why it was never covered here, it must be more difficult as it seems.
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Quote: Originally posted by PHILOU Zrealone  | Will the emulsifying ability of soaps/detergents/cleaners (anionic, cationic or non-ionic) be effective into anhydrous media like AN/Mineral oil?
I highly doubt about it...usually you need water... |
The canister I have says the active ingredient is 0.26% alkyl (50% C14 40% C12 10% C16) dimethyl benzyl ammonium chlorides, aka benzalkonium
chlorides. As these are quite common in commercial PTC I'm pretty sure they don't need water to work.
I don't know what is used to emulsify ANFO, but what I recommended is not "just soap".
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| Quote: Originally posted by clearly_not_atara | | Quote: Originally posted by PHILOU Zrealone | Will the emulsifying ability of soaps/detergents/cleaners (anionic, cationic or non-ionic) be effective into anhydrous media like AN/Mineral oil?
I highly doubt about it...usually you need water... |
The canister I have says the active ingredient is 0.26% alkyl (50% C14 40% C12 10% C16) dimethyl benzyl ammonium chlorides, aka benzalkonium
chlorides. As these are quite common in commercial PTC I'm pretty sure they don't need water to work.
I don't know what is used to emulsify ANFO, but what I recommended is not "just soap". |
The water is included into the 99,74% remaining ingredients  ...
The active ingredient is 0,26% quaternay ammonium salt what is part of the group of cationic soaps .
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What about plain old washing up liquid? That usually has sodium dodecyl sulphate in it... it's emulsifying properties are why it is used as a
soap/dishwashing liquid.
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Yes, did not read the fine print there.
Is Calcium stearate common enough?
https://www.google.com/patents/US3161551
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If not, quick lime and stearic acid certainly are available. Or you could go for a palmitate, etc. depending on what materials you might have access
to.
Manufacture of metal soaps
US 2890232 A
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"Dangerous",
exist people, I known amateurs, which spend 1000 hours at developing homemade emulsion. They had all, what is possible get still before 10 years.
Very experienced people. However, Without succesfull. If you need some extra plastic on water base, you can study http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=4076 Incredible properties..... ...LL
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