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Not me, but how did you conclude that the CPS had been instructed to hound him?
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directly or via a contractor.
It's the normal way they deal with workers who piss them off somehow, circumventing pension rights, severance pay, etc etc. |
What other examples do you have to proclaim this as "normal"?
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1. The work you were doing was not very sensitive.
2. Any knowledge you were given was of a low security nature.
3. Any information you hold is of no practical threat to any high-ranking serving HMG officer.
The key things you have omitted to disclose is Why all of this came to pass.
Principally, what did you actually do in order to piss off HMG so throughly ? |
So even you concede that his prosecution was on grounds other than his guilt?
| Quote: | | Secondly, why on earth did you have a pathetic 'explosive' mixture hanging around ? |
Looking at other papers, we believe Dr. Yong had the rocket candy for model rocketry. Perfectly legal and the public has an explicit open license to
it in the Control of Explosives Regulations 1991, Schedule 1, Part 2.
| Quote: | All i can think of is that you did in fact discover/rediscover some portable nerve agent process, and tried to get some cash out of them for that, on
top of normal wages.
I stand to be corrected. |
The whole point of the bidding process that Dr. Yong was involved in was to fund R&D. He was asked by Dstl to submit the proposal about the DIY
nerve gas generator.
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I have this feeling this guy wants us to ask about the details of the nerve gas generator. Then it looks like we are interested in a DIY weapon of
mass destruction.
Why did you come to us of all forums? Why not the media?
(I am not saying this is a trap, just thid thing is really fishy)
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Threads merged- Please don't start multiple threads on same subject.
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Quote: Originally posted by Loptr  | I have this feeling this guy wants us to ask about the details of the nerve gas generator. Then it looks like we are interested in a DIY weapon of
mass destruction.
Why did you come to us of all forums? Why not the media?
(I am not saying this is a trap, just thid thing is really fishy) |
Nothing will be gained by publishing the non-redacted details of the DIY nerve gas generator. Potentially, much will be lost if it is published and
falls into the wrong hands.
Do you or anyone here have any media contacts who would be interested?
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By posting on your two almost identical threads simultaneously you give the impression that you're incandescent with rage at what you see as
unfair treatment by your former employer and that you're tripping over yourself to find some way to get back at them!
Unfortunately for you, it's highly unlikely that anyone here is thinking of working for the MOD!
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Thanks. It was actually two different subjects, but we realize it might look like the same thing to someone who wasn't previously aware of the case.
Thread A: Focused more on the MOD's/Dstl's response to betray their own
DIY nerve gas generator public security risk + Active security clearance -> Submitted to UK MOD/Dstl -> Police raid
Thread B:
Solely focused on the CPS' deceitful conduct to try to secure a conviction
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| Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise | By posting on your two almost identical threads simultaneously you give the impression that you're incandescent with rage at what you see as
unfair treatment by your former employer and that you're tripping over yourself to find some way to get back at them!
Unfortunately for you, it's highly unlikely that anyone here is thinking of working for the MOD!
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The threads were different. One focussed on Dstl's response to the DIY nerve gas generator, the other focussed on the CPS' response.
We are not Dr. Yong and do not think he is in a position to be incandescent with rage. Right now he is probably more worried about how to put food on
his plate or find a place to stay, which is why we are picking up his cause for him.
Last we heard he sold his computers and tech, was homeless, jobless and a refugee, living terrified of further British government persecution. From
what we hear, the British government also forcibly closed all his Natwest/Barclays/HSBC/TD Direct Investing/etc. bank accounts without any judicial
oversight and seized his assets (Google: Can the British government extra-judicially close accounts) which has only made a dire situation worse.
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| Quote: Originally posted by HMG Treachery | If he did he would have been successfully prosecuted on them. Furthermore the fact that Dstl issued him contracts on the basis of the work proposed
and the working/storage conditions attests to the fact that even they were satisfed with the proposal.
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So are you now saying that he wasn't prosecuted after all? Only investigated? Or charged but acquitted?
What evidence have you got that Dstl was satisfied with the "working/storage conditions" of Dr Yong? That seems to me like yet another contentious
presumption on your part.
Are those who bid for Dstl business even checked at all for the conditions of their laboratory? I somehow doubt that. If they did, then it seems
astonishing they accepted his proposals for research (into explosives and nerve gases, no less!) to be conducted in a domestic dwelling and nearby
garage, set in a non-industrial area.
Your case against the 'treacherous HMG' remains flimsy to me. Use of emotive terms like 'kangaroo courts' and such like make your strong confirmation
bias shine through like a torchlight.
I'm 100 % for scrutiny of governments and law enforcement but I think you're not going about it the right way, IMO.
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Last we heard he sold his computers and tech, was homeless, jobless and a refugee, living terrified of further British government persecution. From
what we hear, the British government also forcibly closed all his Natwest/Barclays/HSBC/TD Direct Investing/etc. bank accounts without any judicial
oversight and seized his assets (Google: Can the British government extra-judicially close accounts) which has only made a dire situation worse.
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And you heard this where? From whom?
Googling for “Can the British government extra-judicially close accounts”, yielded (related to Dr Yong):
Nov. 29, 2014, by ‘J.’ (guest)
http://www.accountantforums.com/threads/urgent-advice-can-na... (one post, no replies)
March 26, 2015, by ‘H.Jones’ (external usenet poster)
http://www.financebanter.co.uk/uk-finance/15374-can-british-... (one post, no replies)
‘H.Jones’ also posted the same text on google groups. Are ‘J.’ and ‘H.Jones’ one and the same poster?
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So someone ran afoul of the British government? Historically, that's a low odds of winning, surviving even is a poor chance.
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As long as they stick together under a strong Imam, they’re hard to beat. But after the Turks left in the mid-17th century, the Yemenis faced a much
smarter empire: the British. Very few countries held off that Empire for long. Between the Americans’ victory in 1783 and Irish independence in
1922, not one country was able to eject the Empire. Tens of millions died trying — brave, brilliant empires like the Sikhs and the Zulus; no one
succeeded. We forget that now, because . . . well, you know that amnesia flash device from Men in Black? It was actually the British Empire that
invented that thing, and asked the world to smile and say cheese when it decided to dissolve itself around 1960. And like Tommy Lee Jones in that
movie, their last act was to use the flash on themselves, so they could say in all truth, “Empire? What Empire?”
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The War Nerd often comes across the spoor of these perfidious scum and the wreckage they left across the globe during centuries of successful looting.
Pardon me if I have little interest in the minutiae of this particular event, we kicked HM to the curb a few centuries back and have our own crop of
lawyers, bureaucrats and other such shit weasels to contend with. The good Dr. should count himself lucky to not have committed suicide on a lonely
moor with a dull penknife while under the influence of a cocktail of over-the-counter medications.
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3rd thread
https://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=34423
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I think you can safely say that :-
1. There's nothing anyone here can do about it.
2. We don't really care at all.
Please stop posting the same thing.
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I, for one, would like to hear of a positive conclusion to this.
CPS certainly behaved shittily, but much of the rest seems to be mistakes/idiocy caused by the police worried about terrorism, not a deliberate
attempt to persecute anyone by the defence community.
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The Facts are scant and we certainly haven't heard even half the story yet, so it'd be impossible to come to any Judgement at all.
Even if we all did come to some judgement or other, it'd make absolutely zero difference to Dr Yong's case, as we're just a bunch of amateur
scientists, not a legal-eagle Star Chamber.
Then very best place for this is in the hands of Legal Specialists and/or the Press.
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Open letter 3: Working with Dstl
Highlights:
1. Ex-Dstl scientist & contractor Dr. Matthew Yong discovers, upon Dstl’s request to do so, how to synthesize nerve gas in an improvised/DIY
setting using readily available chemicals and equipment in 2012
2. Scientist also discovers a further invention of “potential national interest” – apparently an electrical power source for directed energy
weapons and electromagnetic pulse weapons
3. Dstl betrays & backstabs their co-worker and colleague, and get Cambridgeshire police & CPS to arrest & prosecute – using the
scientist’s own research proposal he submitted to Dstl as requested, as evidence
4. Dstl officers Andrew Hall, Roger Neal Smith, Maj. Ronald Thomas Cunningham Harley and Angela Howells issue false witness statements to falsely
incriminate and condemn scientist, contrary to Sections 89 – 90 of the Criminal Justice Act 1967.
5. Andrew Hall, Roger Neal Smith, Maj. Ronald Thomas Cunningham Harley and Angela Howells remain unprosecuted despite committing serious criminal
offences contrary to the above act
6. Scientist is wrongfully imprisoned without proper charges for two months and endures 14 months of tinpot CPS prosecution over “evidence” as
contrived as a shopping receipt for chicken soup ingredients in a foreign language
7. Scientist is prosecuted for having “explosives” despite the rocket candy:
a. Being well under the license-able thresholds
b. Rocket propellant being exempted from licensing under Schedule 1 Part 2 of the Control of Explosives Regulations 1991
c. Not being an explosive in the ordinary sense of the word
8. CDE/Dstl steal the technologies. They repay his good faith with false witness statements, and do not pay him for his ongoing contract with them
9. Scientist is rendered homeless, jobless and a de facto refugee
10. British Parliament made an amendment to the UK Poisons Act in 2014, that makes the precursors to the nerve gas, previously readily available, now
license-able
11. Paranoid atmosfear, devoid-of-common-sense “terrorist-around-every-corner” agenda suits power-drunk British police and CPS funding budgets
very well; never mind whether innocent people, let alone loyal British subjects who worked for the public interest such as Dr. Yong, are destroyed in
the process
Key Words:
Jonathan H. Lyle DSTL, Richard J. Bishop DSTL, Roger Neal Smith DSTL, Angela Howells DSTL, Major Ronald Thomas Cunningham Harley DSTL, Lynne Sheridan
Reah DSTL, Andrew Hall DSTL, Matthew J Parish DSTL, Sarah L. Harper DSTL, Fiona Cotter DSTL, Ben R Swindlehurst DSTL, Jim Haley DSTL, Jonathan A.
Byrne DSTL, Lesley A. Shellard DSTL, Jacqueline M. Pude DSTL, Steve Eley DSTL, Matt J. Chinn DSTL, Philip J. Packer DSTL, Vicky M. Torraca DSTL, DI
Dave Murphy, DC Nigel Sutton, DC Peter Valvona, DC Gary Loth, Judge Nic Madge, David Matthew Crown Prosecution Service Seven Bedford Row, Marti Blair
Crown Prosecution Service, Dr. Margaret Glendenning Cambridge University, Dstl, Defence Science & Technology Laboratory, Centre for Defence
Enterprise, Crown Prosecution Service, Cambridgeshire Police, Ministry of Defence Special Branch, Serious Organised Crime Agency, Peterborough Crown
Court, National Authority, Oliver Heald QC, Attorney General's Office, repay good with evil, Dstl contractor, perversion of the course of justice, CPS
malicious prosecution, CPS Fool's Deal, Dstl false witness statements, DC 1626 Mark Yendley Cambridgeshire police false witness statement, wrongful
imprisonment, wrongful police search, wrongful arrest, detention without proper charges, Dstl breach of contract, Dstl wrongful termination of
contract, Section 4 Explosives Act, Health & Safety at Work Act 1974, Manufacture & Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005, Control of
Explosives Regulations 1991, Firearms Act 1968, Criminal Justice Act 1967, rocket candy, RDX, HMTD, in situ portable DIY nerve gas generator,
neurotoxin, DSTL Chemical Biological & Radiological STC, Dr. Matthew Yong, Thomson Webb Corfield solicitors, Roger Harrison One Paper Building
barrister, Nick Barnes, Gemma Richardson.
Download pdf with supporting documentation here:
http://kvisit.com/QQ/_UY
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc14/9085/ol3-working-for-dstl-...
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Is this the same thing as was started last year about this time ?
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=61926
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As an acquaintence once said to (visiting the USA for first time English guy, an associate of the Rev. Ronald Lancaster): "We don't hate you because
you're a gay man. We hate you because you're ENGLISH!!!"
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Jealousy.
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Open letter 4: Working with Dstl
Fourth open letter in the series.
This open letter focuses on the false witness statements by Dstl officers Roger Neal Smith, Major Ronald Thomas Cunningham Harley and Angela Howells
(Andrew Hall's false witness statement was dealt with in Open Letter 2).
It also demonstrates how top Dstl management (Jonathan Lyle, CEO Dstl & Richard Bishop CPO Dstl) were aware that their officers' witness
statements to Cambridgeshire Police were untrue, but took no effort to correct it.
It may also be downloaded here:
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/10/04/ol4-working-with-dstl/
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Yes it does concern the same thing, but from different angles. It is a complex case that can't be dealt with in a single post. One of the main
challenges we are having in trying to present it to the public is to distill down the matter into chunks the public can follow.
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Why was the material about the blood fridge not in open letter 3?
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What blood fridge ?
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OK.
Fed up with this now.
The Facts please, and not the embellished bullshit.
1. What and where gained are Dr.Yong's qualifications ?
2. What was he Contracted to do - based on sight of the actual contract.
3. How much was he paid, as in actual monies received by him.
4. At what point in the contract did the police get involved (i.e. how many months).
Many more questions, however answers to those will do for starters.
This not a real Court.
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Everything apart from (3) is in the stuff previously posted. Dr Yong appears to be the real deal and what happened is shameful. I certainly hope
he's on the up.
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I will not allow any more threads on this subject to be started, one is sufficient.
OP, please post any updates HERE.
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I stand by my previous observation...
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The good Dr. should count himself lucky to not have committed suicide on a lonely moor with a dull penknife while under the influence of a cocktail of
over-the-counter medications, expiring from loss of a rather small amount of blood.
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I really prefer the US's spook prefered strategy of ejection from tall buildings, overpasses and such. So much more direct- it suits international
bankers particularly well.
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