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DubaiAmateurRocketry
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Is there other way to get 70% nitric acid up to >90% without distillation ? I have strong dessicants such as Ac2O, P2O5, magnesium perchlorate/
sulfate.
I am not sure how to get the acetic acid or phosphoric acid out of my 95% HNO3 after the water is gone though.
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On the wiki page for N2O5 it shows that nitric acid is dehydrated by P2O5 (even to the point of becoming N2O5) but if you used it how would you get
rid of the H3PO4?
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Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate  | | On the wiki page for N2O5 it shows that nitric acid is dehydrated by P2O5 (even to the point of becoming N2O5) but if you used it how would you get
rid of the H3PO4? |
N2O5 could be easily distilled/sublimed out from the reaction mixture, since it has a really low boiling point.
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Theres a preparation in Brauer that does exactly that.
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Very short question, does anyone know if you can order from McMaster-carr as an individual?
If so, how do we proceed?
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| Quote: Originally posted by kristofvagyok | | Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate | | On the wiki page for N2O5 it shows that nitric acid is dehydrated by P2O5 (even to the point of becoming N2O5) but if you used it how would you get
rid of the H3PO4? |
N2O5 could be easily distilled/sublimed out from the reaction mixture, since it has a really low boiling point. |
Hehe its dissolved, and you cant distill it, it will simply decompose into N2, O2 and NOx.
I would really want an answer on how to get phosphoric acid out of HNO3, after I dried the water, or obtained some N2O5 in dissolved HNO3 
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We'll you could only add enough P2O5 to dehydrate it to 90% and distill.
You could try vacuum sublimation or dissolving it in Chloroform.
[Edited on 24-12-2013 by bismuthate]
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I'm buying some test tubes from elementalscientific.net, and it only sells rubber stoppers separately, the tubes are 20 mm across, but their stoppers
use a different scale (or whatever you call it), does anybody know what size stopper fits a 20 mm test tube?
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Just checked for you, you would want to get a number 2... 1 fits but is a bit too small
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Thank you.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zyklonb | | I'm buying some test tubes from elementalscientific.net, and it only sells rubber stoppers separately, the tubes are 20 mm across, but their stoppers
use a different scale (or whatever you call it), does anybody know what size stopper fits a 20 mm test tube? |
http://www.tekniscience.com/documents/Corning_Guide_for_Sele...
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DubaiAmateurRocketry
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Is it possible to concentrate H2O2 solution using dessicants ? Such as Magnesium sulfate/ lithium perchlorate ?
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Does the use of NaCNBH3 add methyl to the reductant? I should know and can't find the ref on reductions with metal hydrides. Thanks.
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Why not just evaporate it off with heat?
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Or you could react barium peroxide with nitric acid (if you have them). Just make sure there are no transition metal impurities or else it will
decompose on production.
Basic hydrogen peroxide can be made by adding sodium peroxide to water (and sodium peroxide can be made by burning sodium in air). It will be strongly
basic however.
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Sodium is very costly, as are Barium peroxide and nitric acid, also it's not very pure, not worth it at all.
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Since I can't seem to find any sort of help on this: How do you set up a water aspirator? More specifically, I'm confused about the top - it looks as
though it should thread onto a hose or sink or some such.
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Ugh I had a hell of a time when I bought mine... I bought the brass attachment bit from the same company that I got the aspirator from. I think this
is the part you are referring to, it seems to be hard hose size. They sold it as a faucet adapter but it clearly is not for household tape anyways. I
went to a aquarium specialty store and bought the white piece, it's a tap adapter for a "Python" aquarium vacuum thing, it converts the kitchen tap
thread size into the required size. It cost me something like $4. I would have liked a metal one but oh well... It works perfect anyways.
**edit: here is the item http: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000255NUU?ie=UTF8&forc... it actually consists of two pieces, the top bit is a male end which you may or may
not need depending on your faucet
 
[Edited on 27-12-2013 by Mailinmypocket]
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DubaiAmateurRocketry
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can any of those cation and anion go together to form a salt, or any of the below already exist ?
Amino-tetrazolium, dioxygenyl, nitronium, ammonium, hydrazine, guanidine.
peroxide /superoxide /ozonide/hydride/aluminum hydride/borohydride.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DubaiAmateurRocketry | can any of those cation and anion go together to form a salt, or any of the below already exist ?
Amino-tetrazolium, dioxygenyl, nitronium, ammonium, hydrazine, guanidine.
peroxide /superoxide /ozonide/hydride/aluminum hydride/borohydride. |
I doubt it. Ions like aminotetrazolium, ammonium and hydrazinium are acidic; anions like peroxide, superoxide, and hydride are strong bases, and
would immediately react. Cations like dioxygenyl, nitronium and nitrosyl are strongly electrophilic (Lewis acids) and would similarly react
immediately with the anions you've listed.
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thank you draconic acid, i know acid/ base salts rarely or dont come together however hydroxyl ammonium perchlorate, for example, exist. Yes the ones
i pointed out is more extreme but just sayin.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07370650008216114...
Also I wonder if this paper is true, It says Ammonium superoxide/ ozonide is a solid ? really ?
| Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate | | On the wiki page for N2O5 it shows that nitric acid is dehydrated by P2O5 (even to the point of becoming N2O5) but if you used it how would you get
rid of the H3PO4? |
I wonder.. Maybe distill ? I personally hate distillating though, any other way ?
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And another question.
How reactive is Aluminum hydride ?
I was reading a paper on a crazy rocket fuel that uses aluminum hydride as a fuel mixed in some nitrate ester plasticizers and seems they have no
problem with it. However nitronium perchlorate is obviously coated.
US Patent - Plasticized nitrocellulose propellant containing Aluminum hydride and Nitronium perchlorate.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.goog...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Mailinmypocket | | Ugh I had a hell of a time when I bought mine... I bought the brass attachment bit from the same company that I got the aspirator from. I think this
is the part you are referring to, it seems to be hard hose size. They sold it as a faucet adapter but it clearly is not for household tape anyways. I
went to a aquarium specialty store and bought the white piece, it's a tap adapter for a "Python" aquarium vacuum thing, it converts the kitchen tap
thread size into the required size. It cost me something like $4. I would have liked a metal one but oh well... It works perfect anyways.
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Got a plastic adapter for mine. Judging from a cursory test with the garden hose, it pulls pretty strong vacuum. Getting a vacuum gauge within a week
or so (although questionable about the authenticity, it's $5... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VU8Q5Q/ref=oh_details_o...)
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What would happen to U-235 if we would irradiate it with a weak, less than 1MeV H+ beam? Would Np-236 form?
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Question
What is the most convenient way to prepare sodium hexametaphosphate ((NaPO3)6) from sodium orthophosphate
(Na3PO4)? Wikipedia states conversion to the dihydrogen salt (with concentrated H2SO4?) followed by
melting and rapid cooling (how would one rapidly cool? Dunk container in cold water?)
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101. Preparation of Ethyl Acetate from Alcohol and Acetic Acid.—(SECTION 160).—Mix in a dry 200 cc. distilling flask 50 grams of alcohol, 60 grams
of glacial acetic acid, and 4 cc.
concentrated sulphuric acid. from norris experimental o-chem
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I'm bit unclear on how much % excess alcohol must be used in esterificationss. This procedure uses 1.085
mol EtOH and 1 mol AcOH. Is that really enough? Also, bit of a noob question how would you calculate the % excess?
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