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[*] posted on 8-12-2013 at 19:53


Does anyone have a book that details the classic chemistry experiments/demonstration such as coal distillation, lead chamber demo, etc?

I have look for a book about theses early 1900 experiments for a while now.

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[*] posted on 8-12-2013 at 20:14


I have a book that does destructive distillation of coal and wood, IIRC, but it doesn't have anything about the lead chamber process.



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[*] posted on 8-12-2013 at 20:41


Quote: Originally posted by confused  
my guess would be binders,preservatives and flavors or sweeteners
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excipient

Seems like most of them are organic sugars and such. Thanks!




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[*] posted on 9-12-2013 at 04:03


Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  
I have a book that does destructive distillation of coal and wood, IIRC, but it doesn't have anything about the lead chamber process.


It was just to give an idea of the type of book I was talking, it is not obligated to have the three.

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[*] posted on 9-12-2013 at 09:43


I have "New Laboratory Experiments in Practical Chemistry" by Newton, Henry, and Black (1949), which has the destructive distillation of coal (but not of wood).
I also have "Elements of Chemistry" by Shepard (1885), which includes an experiment where the student makes a solution of prussic acid, and feeds a teaspoon of it to a cat.




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[*] posted on 9-12-2013 at 09:54


"(...)which includes an experiment where the student makes a solution of prussic acid, and feeds a teaspoon of it to a cat"

Look exactly like what I want.

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[*] posted on 10-12-2013 at 07:51
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Hi, i was wondering if this platinum electrode could be used for the eletrolysis of copper sulfate solution into sulfuric acid

2 Cu2SO4 + 2 H2O = 4 Cu + 2 H2SO4 + O2

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-0-micron-50x50mm-Platinum-C...

would the platinum coating be too thin? 1 micron seems really thin for an electrode.

Also, how thin can the coating be before it is no longer practically usable for this application?

would a 0.5 micron thick coating work, as the prices for the diffrent thicknesses of coating differ somewhat substantialy

0.5 micron, 1.0 micron and 2.5 micron
Price is USD 18, USD 33 and USD 83
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[*] posted on 10-12-2013 at 19:42


I hope this question qualifies as "short":

I am studying the kinetics of a certain reaction in which a two starting materials react to form an isolable intermediate, which then reacts with another equivalent of one of the original starting materials to form the final product. Both of the reactions are second order. In my case the first reaction happens significantly faster than the second one, but not so fast that it can be assumed to always be at equilibrium.

1) A + B -> C
2) A + C -> D

I have written these differential equations to describe the system:

d[A]/dt=-k1[A][B]-k2[A][C]
d[B]/dt=-k1[A][B]
d[C]/dt=k1[A][B]-k2[A][C]
d[D]/dt=k2[A][C]

I assumed this type of reaction was a common one, but have not been able to find the general solution, or even a simplified form, of this type of system. (Experimentally, both [A] and [B] decrease with time, [C] increases and then decreases, and [D] increases.) Does anyone here have experience and/or knowledge with this type of reaction?

If it matters, I can tell you what compounds A, B, C, and D are.




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[*] posted on 11-12-2013 at 00:04


I wanted to repeat a nitration process a paper stated, they used HCl/HNO3/Ac2O, however I have only pure HNO3 and P2O5.

I also dont have sulfuric acid. Can I do HNO3/ P2O5 ?
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[*] posted on 11-12-2013 at 02:30


what exectly do you want to nitrate?
also, do you have the paper u mentioned?
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[*] posted on 11-12-2013 at 05:51


No, HNO3 and P2O5 in ether will not nitrate anything as it won't create the nitronium ion ( the nitrating specie in most cases)
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[*] posted on 11-12-2013 at 06:10


Thanks for both of you answering,

I have > 95% HNO3 and so adding more P2O5 to take water out, will generate Nitronium Nitrate, NO2 NO3, a good nitration performer,

The nitration I wanted to perform on is a triazole compound, I fear the P2O5/HNO3 will be too powerful and the N2O5 generated might cause ring opening and destroy my experiment, something N2O5 can do.

I've only half a liter of HNO3 left and I dont want to waste one gram of it :)
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[*] posted on 11-12-2013 at 07:28


Ah i stand corrected i din't realise P4O10 had the power to dehydtate HNO3.
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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 17:21


whats the most common material that can stand cold temperature, sulfuric acid, and nitric acid at same time?
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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 17:23


Quote: Originally posted by DubaiAmateurRocketry  
whats the most common material that can stand cold temperature, sulfuric acid, and nitric acid at same time?

Glass.




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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 17:29


Very true.



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 17:59


Quote: Originally posted by elementcollector1  
Quote: Originally posted by DubaiAmateurRocketry  
whats the most common material that can stand cold temperature, sulfuric acid, and nitric acid at same time?

Glass.


anything other than glass ?
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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 19:10


I'm not sure, but how about porcelain? Or do you have anything Si plated?



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 19:13


Gold.



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 19:15


He (or she) said common. Also would that etch gold like aqua regia?
Maybe PTFE.

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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 19:57


Quote: Originally posted by DubaiAmateurRocketry  
whats the most common material that can stand cold temperature, sulfuric acid, and nitric acid at same time?


iron




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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 20:02


Uh, no? Iron wouldn't hold up to that. At least not the sulfuric acid.



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[*] posted on 21-12-2013 at 20:27


I bet anything you want, iron WILL hold that.

Seriously, industrial nitrator are made of iron...

It passivate.




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[*] posted on 22-12-2013 at 03:10


Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate  


Maybe PTFE.



Yup, i was thinking on the same line.

Quote: Originally posted by plante1999  
I bet anything you want, iron WILL hold that.

Seriously, industrial nitrator are made of iron...

It passivate.


Alright ahha, ill try that in small ammounts and tell u the results
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[*] posted on 22-12-2013 at 12:16


I just aquired a bottle of "animal bone charcoal", can this be used as decolorising charcoal? Not sure what it's purpose is otherwise besides being incredibly messy

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