Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Removing ozone from a low pressure gas stream?
Twospoons
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1302
Registered: 26-7-2004
Location: Middle Earth
Member Is Offline

Mood: A trace of hope...

[*] posted on 28-4-2013 at 20:16
Removing ozone from a low pressure gas stream?


I'm looking for a quick, cheap way to remove ozone from a gas stream at low pressure ( 1 torr or so). This is the exhaust gas from a plasma cleaner I built to do some tests at work - just a crude lash-up, using air.

I'm a little concerned the ozone may be damaging the vacuum pump, given the discoloration of the plastic tubing running from plasma chamber to pump. Flow rate is low, so I don't have to deal with kg of O3, buts its enough you can smell it easily (currently I vent the exhaust outside).

Quick hunt on google yields some commercially made catalysts using CuO + MnO2. Not sure if I could obtain small quantity, or make some perhaps (how would I make a usable structure for column packing?).

Wikipedia suggests ozone reacts with lots of things - I noted carbon and urea, and maybe hydrogen as possible candidates - would prefer a solid reactant that I can load into a packed column, but a gas feed would be OK.

Wanting low cost, easily obtainable materials, works under vacuum. Regular replacement is OK, as the plasma cleaner on runs from time to time.

Any suggestions?




Helicopter: "helico" -> spiral, "pter" -> with wings
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Adas
National Hazard
****




Posts: 711
Registered: 21-9-2011
Location: Slovakia
Member Is Offline

Mood: Sensitive to shock and friction

[*] posted on 29-4-2013 at 06:52


The urea would be your best choice, IMO. One molecule of O3 oxidizes one molecule of urea (CH4N2O + O3 ----> CO2 + 2 H2O + N2)



Rest In Pieces!
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
watson.fawkes
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 2793
Registered: 16-8-2008
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 29-4-2013 at 06:58


Quote: Originally posted by Twospoons  
Quick hunt on google yields some commercially made catalysts using CuO + MnO2. Not sure if I could obtain small quantity, or make some perhaps (how would I make a usable structure for column packing?).
Two concerns: Pumping rate through a packed column and catalyst fabrication.

If you use a packed column, you'll reduce the outflow rate to the pump. The effect will be that the gas pressure inside the chamber will rise. It may not rise enough to cause problems, but it's something to be aware of. If the catalyst bed offers too much resistance, you can always change the pump for something with higher intrinsic capacity.

At 1 torr and ordinary tubing diameters, you're in the viscous flow region, where you can use ordinary fluid flow equations for modelling. Flow through a porous medium can be modeled with Darcy's law, ordinary used for groundwater. The permeability of the medium is proportional to the square of the pore size, so if you use a small catalyst support, you have much more resistance to flow. Overall geometry has series and parallel flow, just like electrical resistance networks. The upshot is that you want a shorter, wider column rather than a longer, thinner one. Think something shaped like a desiccant cartridge rather than a distillation column. Consider integrating it into the chamber itself.

As for catalyst composition, many of these kind of oxide catalysts are active because they are co-deposited with low melting salts (such as chlorides), you that you actually have a surface-liquid-film/gas interaction rather than a solid/gas interaction. You may have to heat the catalyst to activate it; check the commercial products to see if they do this. (I don't know anything specifically about the activity of ozone catalysts.)

As for catalyst support, given the relatively small scale I suspect you could just use glass wool. Ceramic beads could also work..
View user's profile View All Posts By User
ScienceSquirrel
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1863
Registered: 18-6-2008
Location: Brittany
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dogs are pets but cats are little furry humans with four feet and self determination! :(

[*] posted on 29-4-2013 at 07:02


I would suggest a heated quartz tube packed with silver wool.

http://www.google.com/patents/US6054098
View user's profile View All Posts By User
unionised
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 5109
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 5-5-2013 at 07:09


At the risk of being a bit late in the day, activated charcoal is used for this.
The NOx detector we used at work had the same issue- killing the ozone before the ozone killed the pump and they used a charcoal trap.
the problem is that you may still need to vent the gas outside because one of the products is carbon monoxide.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Twospoons
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1302
Registered: 26-7-2004
Location: Middle Earth
Member Is Offline

Mood: A trace of hope...

[*] posted on 5-5-2013 at 15:08


Its never too late. As it happens activated carbon is what I am trying first - its so cheap and easy to buy. And I found several references to it being used to remove ozone.
So I'm currently fitting out a preserving ('Mason') jar with a new acrylic lid, pneumatic fittings, and a plastic overwrap in case of breakage and I have 2kg of carbon pellets.

Thanks for all the replies!




Helicopter: "helico" -> spiral, "pter" -> with wings
View user's profile View All Posts By User
ScienceSquirrel
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1863
Registered: 18-6-2008
Location: Brittany
Member Is Offline

Mood: Dogs are pets but cats are little furry humans with four feet and self determination! :(

[*] posted on 5-5-2013 at 16:53


Quote: Originally posted by unionised  
At the risk of being a bit late in the day, activated charcoal is used for this.
The NOx detector we used at work had the same issue- killing the ozone before the ozone killed the pump and they used a charcoal trap.
the problem is that you may still need to vent the gas outside because one of the products is carbon monoxide.


That sounds like the best idea to me.
A glass tube packed with charcoal chips might solve your problem.
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top