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New High School Teacher looking to outfit a classroom
Hey everyone, first post here.
I am a first year Chemistry teacher at a high school here in the states and I have been tasked with outfitting the chemistry program at our school
with the basics for conducting laboratory activities.
A few specifications on the classroom before I ask for some help.
-Each class will not far exceed 20 students
-The classroom does not have natural gas lines installed yet, and probably will not this year
Now, the point is, I would like some pointers from anyone who has taught chemistry to secondary students before, I need to know what general purpose
items i should try to get a hold of. i will post a list of what i have so far, if there are any suggestions on top of that list they would be most
appreciated.
Cleaning/Maintenance
12-Bottle Brush, 11.5 inches x 1.5 inches
12-Test Tube Brush, 7.25 inches x ½ inch
Glassware Detergent concentrate
8-Wash Bottle, LDPE, 250ml
Glassware
6-Glass Droppers
12-Glass Student Graduated Cylinder, 50ml
12-Glass Student Graduated Cylinder, 10ml
12-Pyrex Beaker, 50ml
12-Pyrex Beaker, 150ml
12-Pyrex Beaker, 400ml
Miscellaneous items
12-Magnetic Stir Bar, Octagon, 1 x 5/16 inch
12-Magnetic Stir Bar, Octagon, 1-1/2 x 5/16 inch
6-Porcelain Mortar/Pestle, 80mm
30-Clear Glass Stir Rod, 6 inch
12-Thermometer, 0-230°F, 12 inch
12-Std. Stem Funnel, 100mm
~150-Disposable Pipets
12-Scoopula, Stainless Steel, 6 inch
12-Beaker Tongs
pH Paper, 1-14 range, 15 ft. roll
Red Litmus Paper
Blue Litmus Paper
4-Digital balances in the $75-100 range - centigram or better sensitivity
1-Digital balance in the $150-$200 range, -milligram or better sensitivity
If possible, what are some online vendors that would have most if not all of these items available? Or should i look for a local supplier? any input
would be appreciated
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Don't forget burets  Highschool chem labs always involve doing a ton of
titrations (I don't think there was a single lab in AP Chem that didn't involve titrating something)
As for vendors, Fisher and Sigma will have everything for sure. Though other vendors will be cheaper (ebay for example)
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If you have any control over the labs you will be doing, I urge you to avoid severly quantitative things like titrations (one or two is alright). I
get the feeling that nothing kills interest in chemistry for people early on like lots of calculations. Basic concepts are often well demonstrated
qualitatively.
I was not in an AP chem class, but our teacher was very old school. dehydration/hydration of cobalt salts, burning of magnesium (closed crucible, then
weighed. Formula experimentally derived from weight gain. reduction of copper sulfate by zinc metal, followed by HCl treatment to remove excess zinc.
Demonstrations were penny in nitric acid, ignition of paraffin wax fumes by heat of freezing molten parrafin, burning sulfur, etc. Colors, and fire is
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I have complete control over labs, I appreciate your comment UnintentionalChaos, and I agree wholeheartedly. I would like to get burets and stands, at
least 7 or 8 (3 students per buret) but I am not sure i can get a hold of them right now - the good ones - independant teflon stopcock and pyrex 50ml
- are upwards of $60 each.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stifle
I have complete control over labs, I appreciate your comment UnintentionalChaos, and I agree wholeheartedly. I would like to get burets and stands, at
least 7 or 8 (3 students per buret) but I am not sure i can get a hold of them right now - the good ones - independant teflon stopcock and pyrex 50ml
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Wow. Then my class A pyrex w/ teflon stopcock buret was a total steal off of ebay for $13.
As for scales, I don't think you'll find 1mg or better for under $200. Scales get exponentially more expensive as you add digits. I would have bought
one by now at that price. you might want to try unitednuclear.com for the other scales. They don't seem to be the cheapest, but appear to be
no-bullshit unlike most other suppliers With a 200g max capacity (more than sufficient for classroom experiments), their $59 model fits your
description. They are unfortunately on backorder as of now.
A few ebay stores sell bulk glassware/equipment from closed labs it seems. You may want to look, as the stuff is new, but cheaper than any supplier
will have it for. I was drooling over some teflon beakers a while back, but 2 dozen of them are not in my budget.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stifle
I have complete control over labs, I appreciate your comment UnintentionalChaos, and I agree wholeheartedly. I would like to get burets and stands, at
least 7 or 8 (3 students per buret) but I am not sure i can get a hold of them right now - the good ones - independant teflon stopcock and pyrex 50ml
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Maybe plastic ones? We have plastic ones at our high school I think. Biurets can easily meet their end in a high school lab. Plus, the acid/base
solutions used will be pretty senile, whats not to love about plastic?
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i suppose due to my lack of experience with plasticware i have not thought of a plastic buret...
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looks like acrylic burets are around $50 new at fischer... better than 65 and more rugged for a classroom for sure
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You've added stirbars to your list, but I can't see any magnetic stirrers?
As for the weights, I reckon a precision of 0.1g is accurate enough for most lab work, but a pair of 0.01 and/or 0.001 precision weights would be
handy as well. I can't see any test tubes on the list? Better get a couple of hundred of those. And don't forget stoppers!
As for the gas, why don't you get the type that runs on separate boxes? This type is the most used in Norway, and I prefer them over a clumsy thing
attached to a hose any day!
Does the lab have a fume hood/fume hood system?
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I think what i am struggling with the most right now is what solution should i pursue as far as heating appliances. the classroom does not have gas
and will not have it this year but i am currently teaching chemistry and some future labs will require that I heat up solutions obviously.
I did forget to mention the items which i already have, most notably
5 - single element, counter-top rangette (http://www.centralrestaurant.com/centralstore/images/stdimag...)
24 - 250ml Erlenmeyer flasks
~150 - 12mm x 100mm test tubes
some misc plasticware that is in bad condition
lots of petri dishes
I am not happy with the idea of heating up glassware on an electric element without any heat dispersing medium between them - on that note, what
could i use as a medium to spread out the heat so that i could use these kitchen appliances as a makeshift hotplate?
The classroom does not have a fume hood installed yet, I have requested of the architect that he come up with a way to install one in the room and he
seemed hopeful that one could be installed in a particular corner of the room, however this is the only classroom in the school that would ever
warrant one, as well as the only classroom without carpeted floors...
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Also has anyone ever used a Boroflo stopcock on a buret before? they look like this:
http://cynmar.com/images/items/zoom/11520659.jpg
How do they compare with the classic T style stopcock?
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I've always heard that stopcock style called rotaflow but have never had personal experience with one. Add volumetric flasks to your list of things. I
haven't seen it mentioned yet and in AP chemistry we relied on volumetric flasks heavily for prepping solutions.
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Rather than a list, my idea is: Look at past practical exam papers and have enough kit for all your students to sit the exam fully equipped. Now
realise that this will be at the end of a year so you will need as much again for breakages. Look also at the chemicals that your syllabus needs and
the reactions that need to be done. Consider buying as much as possible in bulk. -Cases of test tubes not tens.
Look also at chemical and apparatus security! I suspect that several school labs lose things to "home" scientists.
Is there a school lab wholesaler in your area, or supplying your area? There is an educational supplier in Canada and one in the UK so I'm certain
that there will be one in the USA. They would have the kit at the right accuracy/price point for good results on a fair budget.
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Stifle,
I recommend you check out this supplier. Very decent prices on chemicals and they also have a small asst of lab items. I have dealt with them in the
past, they are very easy to work with and coincidentally they happen to be close to you.
http://www.hvchemical.com/
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I know I mentioned this already but I think it should be mentioned again in this thread:
First check the book "Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry Experiments" by Robert Thompson. Its got a bunch of really awesome experiments that are
both interesting, fun, and relevant to the course.
He's also organized a special deal with Elemental Scientific for the stuff you'll need at great prices. If more is needed you can easily add it a la
cart on the Elemental Scientific order form. Even if you dont plan on using the book, you can still benefit on the deal by outfitting your class with
the kits they put together. Or vice verse, you dont need to buy the kits but you can still use the book for lab ideas. Here's a link to the kits:
http://homechemlab.com/sources.html
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I know that the US is holding out against the metric system but surely for chemistry thermometers in degrees celsius are far more appropriate.Why
bother with a completely obsolete convention? All modern science uses deg C,all modern chem literature is deg C , lets get deg F out of science
classrooms.
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i don't plan to ever measure temperature in the laboratory using Fahrenheit.
Ordenblitz thank you for that reply, my father is an analytical chemist and he uses high valley chemical and has for years.
Crapscientist thank you for that link, i had browsed that site in the past and was interested in using it to get an assortment of chemicals that would
open up my possibilities for labs
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those balances would be great though they can only be purchased using Paypal - my school does not use paypal so I would have to front the money for
the balances - as I am an educator, $250 up front is problematic.
i found another outlet that ssells the same balance for less and accepts credit cards so ill be getting 3 of those.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stifle
i don't plan to ever measure temperature in the laboratory using Fahrenheit. |
Going to have to replace those thermometers you have listed under miscellaneous items then.
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You will need some kind of container, probably metal, and an oil or sand for the oil bath/sand bath those single element rangettes will require.
Heating glassware on those elements is way too risky for a classroom environment.
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i would recommend purchasing analytical balances that are good to .1mg. The older mechanical type like i use at home can be purchased off of Ebay for
under $50.00. They work great but they often need to be adjusted. I have an old Mettler balance. I would recommend doing more synthesis experiments
then quantitative experiments at the high school level. Just like a previous post stated; math turns most students off towards chemistry.I would
recommend introducing students to the wonders of chemistry before the math of chemistry. i am a 3rd year undergraduate chemistry student and my home
chemistry experimentation has played a major role in my decision to major in chemistry and continue on to graduate school. I would recommend doing as
many labs as possible; labs are the most important part in getting students interested in chemistry.
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I found a website that sells 200g capacity .01 gram accuracy with lifetime warranty's for under $100 each. I plan on ordering 3 of them
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In my experience it is best to get a scale from a well known brand like Ohaus or Mettler Toledo. A lot of the time brand names are more expensive and
all you get is the fancy name to carry with your instrument, but with scales the brand name gets you the instrument backing that brand name in well
known accuracy.
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About the old mechanical Mettler scales, though they are totally awesome and can in theory measure accurately to the 10 ug, they are VERY hard to keep
calibrated... unless they rest on a concrete block AND you never move or accidently knock on them... The slightest disturbance will send then
display flying  I cannot trust mine to read accurately past 0.01 g as a result
I decided to reinvest in a digital balance with only 0.1 mg resolution
EDIT: And don't bother with the "American weigh" or "My Weigh" scales (or any of those non-scientific brands. They are suck and are a total waste of
money. They drift A LOT. You can measure something 5 times, and each time, it could differ by 5-15 mg, or even several 0.01 g's
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What is your experience with My Weight Scales Saerynide? These will be primarily for students to use, and purchasing a more expensive model with a
name brand as Octave has suggested would most likely double my cost for the same level of readout "accuracy" (to the mg).
If they do indeed drift then maybe i can use that to further reinforce the accuracy vs. precision concept... Teacher's mind at work...
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