Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Scattering of light, Rayleigh scattering
woelen
Super Administrator
*********




Posts: 8011
Registered: 20-8-2005
Location: Netherlands
Member Is Offline

Mood: interested

[*] posted on 29-1-2008 at 13:50
Scattering of light, Rayleigh scattering


This is more a physics experiment than a chemical experiment. Some of you may know the effect already, but it still remains quite interesting. Especially when different light sources are used (different LEDs of different color), the effect is quite nice.

http://woelen.scheikunde.net/science/physics/exps/scattering...

No special and difficult to obtain chemicals are needed, only hardware store acid and sodium thiosulfate (photo fixer solution also is suitable).




The art of wondering makes life worth living...
Want to wonder? Look at https://woelen.homescience.net
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
microcosmicus
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 287
Registered: 31-12-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: spin up

[*] posted on 29-1-2008 at 15:07


Another version of this experiment is to consider the scattering by a single
particle as opposed to a gas of scatterers. For instance, place a little bit
of fine dust in a tube of water and illuminate from the side. Then one sees
the individual particles appear bright dots. Alternatively, one can shine a
light through a piece of glass (such as a stirring rod) --- with a little looking
about, one can usually locate a microscopic bubble which will serve as a
scattering centre. Moving around, one sees the angular dependence of the
scattering.

One can improve the demonstration by using a monochromatic light source
such as a laser pointer. Then the patterns one observes become much
sharper because one is not mushing together diffraction patterns for
different wavelengths. In particular, for suitable combinations of particle
size and refractive index, one can easily see minima and maxima in the
diffraction pattern ---- measuring the exact location of these is a way of
precisely determining the size of a tiny sphere.

Finally, it is worth mentioning that the definitive treatise on this
subject was written by one of W. Oelen's compatriots:

W. C. van de Hulst
Light Scattering by Small Particles
1957, reprinted by Dover Books

Not only does this require no special chemicals, it requires no special
equipment --- most scattering experiments I can think of require particle
accelerators or other such special equipment.




[Edited on 29-1-2008 by microcosmicus]

[Edited on 29-1-2008 by microcosmicus]
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
12AX7
Post Harlot
*****




Posts: 4803
Registered: 8-3-2005
Location: oscillating
Member Is Offline

Mood: informative

[*] posted on 29-1-2008 at 15:42


Incidentially, a laser pointer gives you two things: not only is it monochromatic, it is also coherent! Diffraction experiments can give very interesting results.

Nice example of Rayleigh scattering, Woelen. In a pinch, milk works -- although I suppose that doesn't have the same chemical background to it.

Tim




Seven Transistor Labs LLC http://seventransistorlabs.com/
Electronic Design, from Concept to Layout.
Need engineering assistance? Drop me a message!
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User This user has MSN Messenger
Ozone
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1269
Registered: 28-7-2005
Location: Good Olde USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Integrated

[*] posted on 29-1-2008 at 18:16


Very Nice, Woelen!

As usual, you have presented an extremely nice, easily done experiment which can be used to explain some rather complicated science. If ever I need to explain this (and I might, since I am into polymers), this is the way I will do it.

I think with the new UV diodes (or a N2 laser), we could perhaps demonstrate (with the proper, non-absorbing colloid) the scattering of yet smaller wavelengths via fluorescence, say of a paper coated with a high yielding fluorophore placed orthogonal to the source? Particle size and shape (if lasering) are also a factors.

The standard colloid used for nephelometry is formazin (standard, but poisonous), given here (page six):

http://www.hach.com/fmmimghach?/CODE%3AL7045550%7C1

Kaolin can also be used, and it's both cheap and safe

Nice,

O3

Quote, from post below, The_Davster:

"0.0375M cerrous nitrate solution, when mixed with an equal volume of 0.5M hexamine... "

Sweet! I'll have to try this.



[Edited on 30-1-2008 by Ozone]




-Anyone who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
--Albert Einstein
View user's profile View All Posts By User
The_Davster
A pnictogen
*******




Posts: 2861
Registered: 18-11-2003
Member Is Offline

Mood: .

[*] posted on 29-1-2008 at 21:01


I was going to post something remarkably similar, but focusing on the tyndall effect and using nanocrystals for illustration.
I guess great minds think alike:P

0.0375M cerrous nitrate solution, when mixed with an equal volume of 0.5M hexamine, and the solution is allowed to sit for a length of time between 100 and 600 minutes, causes growth of ceria nanocrystals. These are completly invisible to the naked eye, but when a lazer is shot through the solution, a perfect beam can be seen in the solution, and scattering is very noticable.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
-jeffB
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 185
Registered: 6-12-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 30-1-2008 at 06:47


Interesting! Can you do something "between 100 and 600 minutes" to quench the reaction and stabilize the nanocrystals, or do you only have that window in which to experiment?

Google returns a lot of hits on "ceria nanocrystals". Apparently you can make them by simply refluxing cerium(III) nitrate with NaOH for a few minutes. I wonder what other interesting things you can do with them?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
YT2095
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1091
Registered: 31-5-2003
Location: Just left of Europe and down a bit.
Member Is Offline

Mood: within Nominal Parameters

[*] posted on 30-1-2008 at 09:02


Excellent experiment perfectly executed too! ;)

it`s nice to see those LEDs in use also, if you want, I have a 150mw near IR/Visible laser here that I can send over too, it`s not much brighter to look at than a simple 2mw red laser pen (our eyes aren`t Linear), but I expect that it will be the Last to be extinguished when set up in the way of those leds.

I`ll send the Goggle filters too (just tape them to your normal Lab goggles).

again, Fantastic work! ;)




\"In a world full of wonders mankind has managed to invent boredom\" - Death
Twinkies don\'t have a shelf life. They have a half-life! -Caine (a friend of mine)
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Texium
Administrator
Thread Moved
19-11-2023 at 12:22

  Go To Top