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[*] posted on 26-5-2007 at 10:27
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I recently heard that both Ammonium Nitrate and Urea are used in instant cold packs. Does anyone know of an easy test to differentiate between them?



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[*] posted on 26-5-2007 at 11:08


Usually the safety label on the cold pack. Barring that, heat it - Urea will be melting (or maybe decomposing!) about 35 C colder than AN melts.



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[*] posted on 27-5-2007 at 10:51


Edit: I found an easy test, melting and see if it produces Nitrous oxide.

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[*] posted on 2-6-2007 at 10:04


I suppose you could crystallize the compound and compare the structure of the two possibilities to the structure that you got.



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[*] posted on 2-6-2007 at 10:29


Is it an either/or thing or maybe BOTH urea and ammonium nitrate?
I've made a liquid garden fertilizer from a 50/50 mix, and it dissolved faster and got colder than either one alone and only needed about 15% water to dissolve it all.
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[*] posted on 2-6-2007 at 10:39


Check the pH of a solution containing them; urea is basic and ammonium nitrate is acidic.
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[*] posted on 2-6-2007 at 15:59


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Is it an either/or thing or maybe BOTH urea and ammonium nitrate?
I've made a liquid garden fertilizer from a 50/50 mix, and it dissolved faster and got colder than either one alone and only needed about 15% water to dissolve it all.


When it's something being applied to one's skin, extreme cold is not always the best.




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[*] posted on 3-6-2007 at 08:29


It is Ammonium Nitrate. I tested a solution with Phenolphthalein. Just out of curiosity, how common is Urea in cold compresses?



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[*] posted on 3-6-2007 at 15:57


Ive never found it



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