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[*] posted on 18-10-2015 at 10:55
TLC with ionic compounds? Doable?


I saw one source online say it doesn't work very well, but I can't quite figure why. If water was used as a solvent, wouldn't bulkier ions travel up the plate at different speeds depending on their size?
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[*] posted on 18-10-2015 at 11:33


I would imagine that you would need an ionic stationary phase for high resolution, like a powdered ion exchange resin (if your compounds are small or large) or an inorganic material like a zeolite (if your compounds are very small and positively charged... like metallic cations)?

In the case of using an ion exchange resin, you would have to pick a cationic or anionic material for the stationary phase depending on the charge of the compounds you want to resolve or use a mixed charge material to resolve either, all three are commercially available.

I would imagine that once the compounds are loaded onto the stationary phase, that you would need to elute with a salt solution. Instead of adjusting the polarity of the eluent as you would with silica, in this case you would adjust the ionic strength of the eluent.

In terms of the usual stationary phase, like silica etc. I don't think the ions would adsorb very well, hence the equilibrium between the stationary phase and solvent would hardly be existing (will be strongly favoured towards being in water) and so you wouldn't have many theoretical plates and so poor separation.

This is somewhat speculative, I'm no expert, just how I would do it if I had to and couldn't find anything on it. I'm sure there's tons of literature on it though ;)

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[*] posted on 18-10-2015 at 18:33


What kind of ionic compounds are you considering - organic or inorganic? I have Stahl's book on TLC - it's encyclopedic. So if you can be more specific, perhaps I can give you some leads.

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