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[*] posted on 13-1-2015 at 09:12


Quote: Originally posted by ElizabethGreene  

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All hogwash, nonsense and bullshit. I suggest spending your time on something that has the faintest hope of working.
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[*] posted on 13-1-2015 at 11:07


ElizabethGreene, what did you mean by this:

"* (What is the diameter of a round 'tuit?)"




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[*] posted on 13-1-2015 at 11:35


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ElizabethGreene, what did you mean by this:

"* (What is the diameter of a round 'tuit?)"


This is a play on words. Where I live, it is common to say "I will finish it when I get around to it." Over time, the list of tasks waiting for someone to get around to it grows linearly. Some choose to make fun of this phenomenon by manufacturing these objects as a motivator to complete tasks.




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[*] posted on 13-1-2015 at 11:37


:D:D:D

Excellent, I want one!




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[*] posted on 13-1-2015 at 16:18


Energy is mass. There is no clear difference. Any form of energy has a mass associated with it according to E=mc<sup>2</sup>.
A charged battery has a slightly higher mass than an empty one.
A ball on the ground has a slightly higher mass than one up in the air.
A flying bird has a slightly higher mass than one sitting in a tree.

Matter (ie. particles with an intrinsic mass/invariant mass/rest mass) is a very concentrated form of energy, which 'explains' why it is so much better at generating force, but there is no fundamental difference.
Expelling an equivalent flux of photons or any other force-carrying particle from the back of a rocket will generate exactly the same force as when you expel electrons, rocks or exhaust gasses.

There is no mystery there.

Your question as to "why or more specifically, by what 'mechanism' does force causes masses to accelerate" is very interesting but frankly impossible to answer.

Firstly, watch this video, in which Feynman talks about the problem with a 'why' question like this.

Secondly, every existing theory is descriptive and will not tell you 'why'. They will allow you to calculate the outcome of an experiment, but no existing theory will explain how 'force' or 'acceleration' or 'matter' are encoded by the universe at the most fundamental level.




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[*] posted on 13-1-2015 at 20:32


Thanks Phlogiston, I share your thoughts on this.



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