nannah
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Ok to buy NaBH4?
Hi, i just wanted to ask if it is "ok" to buy NaBH4 and other reagents like it?
I mean, could i get into trouble if i order some from APC or other company?
Thanks in advance. 
/Nannah.
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gdflp
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Where do you live? If you live in the US, then you should be fine. It's not on any DEA lists AFAIK, and it's not scheduled as a precursor to
chemical weapons. We had a member,*FWOOSH* who dropped of the board a few months back, who was ordering 25kg sacks of NaBH4 from China and reselling
them on here. Unfortunately, he hasn't logged on since April and no one knows what happened to him, he had great prices on the NaBH4 and I didn't
order from him in time
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Burner
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Quote: Originally posted by gdflp  | | We had a member,*FWOOSH* who dropped of the board a few months back, who was ordering 25kg sacks of NaBH4 from China and reselling them on here.
Unfortunately, he hasn't logged on since April and no one knows what happened to him, he had great prices on the NaBH4 and I didn't order from him in
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Be thankful that you did not order from him the second time around. He scammed a bunch of us, myself included.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding
its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your
knowledge.”
- Isaac Asimov
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CrimpJiggler
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Its used in hydrogen fuel cells so it wouldn't be a problem ordering it from a company like that would it? Its ridiculous how we have to go jump
through hoops to get our hands on commonly used reagents like these. We don't have the DEA in my country, but no suppliers here sell to individuals. A
shower of bastards the DEA, I wish they'd hurry up and end this war on drugs farce so they'll get out of the way of regular chemists.
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MrHomeScientist
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Burner, how were you scammed? He seemed like a legit guy. I was mildly interested in buying some but never pulled the trigger on it.
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I second the question. I lived close enough to meet *FWOOSH* in person. We were setting something up but I lost contact while more LiAlH4 was being
ordered from PRC.
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JAVA
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You can call our "Dear friend" or eat a meal in his very clean Chinese restaurant.
Back to the topic: it's legal to buy it in Europe and USA. I have it but I'm not really excited so far by the reductions with NaBH4, it need much time
before the reduction take place.
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JefferyH
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I don't think *FWOOSH* scammed anyone. I think he got in trouble with the law.
He was shipping his borohydride internationally and attempting to avoid hazmat secured packaging. Importing borohydride is not illegal but exporting
it to countries where it is regulated out of ignorance, or even exporting it without proper hazmat requirements is quite illegal. *FWOOSH* didn't
entirely seem like he knew what he was doing. He was making far too much money for it to be worth his time to scam anyone.
| Quote: Originally posted by JAVA | You can call our "Dear friend" or eat a meal in his very clean Chinese restaurant.
Back to the topic: it's legal to buy it in Europe and USA. I have it but I'm not really excited so far by the reductions with NaBH4, it need much time
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Are you sure you mean NaBH4 and not cyanoborohydride? NaBH4 reductions are extremely rapid in my experience. Cyanoborohydride on the other hand is
more stable and takes much longer.
Borohydride reductions are easy peasy if you can avoid the usage of water or alcohol. There are many ways to do this that are quite simple. It's
surprising to me that anyone ever bothers in the first place attempting to use borohydride with water or alcohol present.
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Burner
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I paid for my the material and never received it. Tried to contact him and received no reply.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding
its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your
knowledge.”
- Isaac Asimov
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Burner
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| Quote: Originally posted by Praxichys |
I second the question. I lived close enough to meet *FWOOSH* in person. We were setting something up but I lost contact while more LiAlH4 was being
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If he did not plan to scam myself (and others here) why did he fail to answer all of my attempts to contact him? Perhaps I was mistaken, but it sure
felt like a scam to me.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding
its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your
knowledge.”
- Isaac Asimov
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gdflp
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Well, he hasn't logged on since April so something could have happened to him which prevented him from continuing such as a car accident, family
member becoming ill, etc. I find it unlikely that he would have shipped out 50kg of borohydride, to stop and scam a couple of people.
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