Ral123
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Due to being ultra bored and not having benzene I took 3 parts H2SO4 and 1 part HNO3 and began to add fine sodium benzoate powder. To about 150ml
mixed acids I added about 3 teaspoons benzoate. The temp was max 70 degrees. The solution isn't too yellow. I really wanted insoluble product whatever
it is. I poored some of it in water and it become much more yellow and no product. I still have 2/3 of the mixture. Do I have chances or the best I
can do is soak some cotton in it and play with the boring NC?
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yeah sounds like a boring sunday afternoon...
i would add cold water to whatever is left but the chances of nitrating an aromatic beyond 2 nitro groups without oleum are pretty slim..
have fun!
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For TNB its like 2liters oleum for 50g product. And takes 4 days at some tempreture  But DNB is easier then TNT. The DNB is with melting point like 70 °C and is supposed to be insoluble. Do I have a chance if I buy
toluene to make DNT?
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i made some once and i am sure you can too...keep it arround 60C for at least 15 minutes then add cold water and filter it . its a yellow powder
insoluble in water , you'll get 2 isomeres i think the mono nitro is liquid(paste like ) and clearly smell like nitro benzen, so as long as its not a
solid you have to continue the nitration..
but again you can only go so far without oleum
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Can you please give some proportions for DNT?(from toluene to dnt in one stage) I'm considering it for high density anfo.
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Quote: Originally posted by Ral123  | | For TNB its like 2liters oleum for 50g product. And takes 4 days at some tempreture But DNB is easier then TNT. The DNB is with melting point like 70 °C and is supposed to be insoluble. Do I have a chance if I buy
toluene to make DNT? |
TNB is accessible via TNT. It is first oxidized as in http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/orgsyn/prepContent.asp?prep=cv1...
Instead of isolating the pure acid, following removal of the unreacted TNT, the solution is heated, causing decarboxylation to Trinitrobenzene.
http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/orgsyn/prepContent.asp?prep=cv1...
This route requires less trying conditions than for the direct nitration of benzene. If m-xylene is accessible, the trinitration will be even more
facile, but at the cost of more dichromate and probably some yield.
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When you get a strong, sweet smell of almonds, you'll know you're onto something . . .
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TNB is anyway too exotic for me but DNB(1,5g./cm, det vel-6000) is TNT alternative.
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After sitting quite a long time, there was some insoluble stuff in the mixture. Today I filtered it,washed it and dried it. It doesn't burn with too
bright flame. It burns much like the sodium benzoate. But I think there was some c-nitration And I think its pretty good for a 14 year punk that doesn't know what the f**k he's doing and only knows that this is
not how it's done 
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