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[*] posted on 18-11-2024 at 12:50


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Good god pdb, it's been just shy of 20 years it's good to see you made it to 75 posts haha.


It's nice to see you're still alive and still tuned in to our favorite topic !

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I'm not sure what your photo is showing btw, it looks like an orange blob taped to the middle of some angle iron. I've never confined dinitrobenzenediazonium perchlorate but assumed it would DDT given any excuse with confinement.


I'll try to be more explicit. It's a pyrotechnic train consisting of a segment of 2,4-dinitrobenzenediazonium perchlorate, followed by a segment of 3-nitrobenzenediazonium, and then another segment of 2,4-dinitrobenzenediazonium perchlorate. The result shows that the detonation of the 3-nitrobenzenediazonium (which bent and pierced the angle iron) did not cause the 2,4-dinitrobenzenediazonium perchlorate to achieve DDT. I had conducted other tests at the time and failed to achieve DDT.
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[*] posted on 20-11-2024 at 11:46


How about Copper(II) Perchlorate Complex with Aminoguanidine?
According to the "Synthesis, Structural and Energetic properties of Copper(II) Perchlorate Complex with Aminoguanidine", its thermal behavior is not much lower than that of NAP: 215°C vs 230°C.
However, I am afraid that the combination of copper and hydrazin bond will make the product unstable and dangerous.
Also, I found a youtube video with this substance. However, the author prepared not a pure substance that does not work.
I want to make a pure product without impurities of sulfate or acetate.
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[*] posted on 20-11-2024 at 13:17


Isn't example 2.4 of patent EP2450330A2 ?
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[*] posted on 20-11-2024 at 13:46


Yes, although no reference gives its extraction, whether it readily precipitates or not.

Generally if the complex is very water soluble you can use the metal sulphate and sodium salt oxidiser then run an ethanol extraction. Dissolve everything in a small amount of water, add ethanol as sodium sulphate is poorly soluble in ethanol/water it precipitates, heat to 40 degrees or so and filter while hot, cool solution down to -5 in freezer and filter the complex.

copper agn perchlorate.png - 870kB
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[*] posted on 20-11-2024 at 14:32


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Thank you. But apparently this is Fake. Copper aminoguanidine perchlorate cannot exist.
When trying to synthesize, aminoguanin perchlorate slowly oxidizes copper perchlorate in a Cu2O in an hot acidic environment and instantly does this in a slightly alkaline environment.
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