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Sartori Supplement to The War Gases

Sauron - 24-9-2007 at 08:39

Mario Sartori's classic The War Gases graces the forum library so some of you may like to know that in 1951 Prof.Sartori, by then working as an industrial chemist in the US, published a supplemental review covering the developments in the field since the start of WWII.

A page of additions and corrections to the review were published later that year. I have assembled the two into a 34 page pdf of about 3.5 Mb, and the link to my 4shared folder is below

http://www.4shared.com/dir/2245331/5a78115f/sharing.html

Ozone - 24-9-2007 at 15:32

Excellent!

Can't wait until I have the time to read it. I am procrastinating very badly here;).

Cheers,

O3

chemrox - 25-9-2007 at 22:58

I'd procrastinate too but I can't find the time anymore.

Sauron - 25-9-2007 at 23:17

For those who may be ut off by the title please bear in mind that the first section deals with the nitrogen mustards, which form the fundamental basis of all cancer chemotherapy.

Truly it's an ill wind that blows no good.

franklyn - 26-9-2007 at 00:36

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Originally posted by Sauron
bear in mind that the first section deals with the nitrogen mustards, which form the fundamental basis of all cancer chemotherapy.


So this is why it is often said the treatment is worse than the disease.

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Sauron - 26-9-2007 at 01:07

If you have ever had friends or family members suffer from cancer, die from it, then you would know that in a lot of cases, radiotherapy, chemotherapy, or a combination of the two are regarded as palliative.

Which simply means that the patient suffers a lot less than they would without the treatment. Their passing is eased.

Which experience of mine, in several instances, completely contradicts your remark.

The untreated disease is a lot worse than the treatment. Beieve me. But I fervently hope you never have to find this out for yourself. Really I do.

franklyn - 26-9-2007 at 14:16

I'm familiar with the symptoms and available treatment from personal experience.
Yes paliative ie narcotic. Traditional chemotherapy as it was applied in times past
has been more than many people could stand. Perhaps some progress has been
made in recent years , such as the medicinal use of marijuana and oncological
treatments such as taxol and such. I don't know, I don't care, I'd give myself the
Kevorkian treatment before it would ever come to that.

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Sauron - 26-9-2007 at 16:57

An option each must weigh for themselves, I am not to foolish as to tell someone what is or isn't right when they are in extermis.

I am sure that early chemo was a bitch, but they do seem to have knocked the rough edges off, gotten the little molecular buggers to target the carcinoma and leave the healthy cells and system relatively alone.

My point is that in the half century or so that has transpired, the mustard derivatives used in chemo may have helped than the original mustards injured or killed in WWI combat or in the accidents that occured in WWII.

I knew a man who was blinded by mustard in WWI. He never recovered his sight (unlike for example an Austrian corporal named Hitler.)