No more Providone Iodine over the counter?

It seems 10% Providone Iodine is now on the list.
2 large drugchains took them off the shelfs and
will not sell them OTC anymore.
Pretty soon all general chemicals will be on that list.

Yeah, I reckon! I too thought that this could hardly be a good proposition - financially (we know it's a dud fromany other perspective) Being the curious fellow that I am, I researched the underground movement somewhat. I'm bound to be miles off,

but in my country of Australia, I believe it's possible to spend around $40-$50 for a return of over $200! And that's just for one gram of the shit. A girl I knew years ago went to the UK and brought some of the shit back with her WTF?! At the time I can clearly recall her saying that it was cheaper by the gram than a pack of 20 cigarettes were!!!! (- $5, at the time street price in Aust was listed as being in the vicinity of $200)

As to the re-use of the chems, dunno. Though I do recall a time probably 10-15 years ago when there was a batch of the crud going around that was known colloquially as OxBlood. It later transpired that this was just 'ordinary' methamphetamine that contained fairly large quantities of RP. Knowing Jack Schitt about many of the reactions involved, I came to the belief that the rp could be filtered from such a run before being cleaned and re-used. As for the HI that they want to make from the I, Have heard stories of that being sold for more than $1000/L!!

Though, if the demented individual was 'talented' enough to be making phosgene during the process then maybe Darwin will win the round, and the only thing recycled willl be the body of said individual.


All that said, I'm not a proponent for drugs of the class listed above. However, I'm not so sure that the current attitude is all that productive from a human-race stand-point.

You see, there's the problem of stereo-isomerism (sp?) so, there's 3 kinds of pseudo, one of em's any real use. Not that 1/2 of the 'chemists' know that. Result -> kids get junk.

Next of course is the sky-high prices of the precursors, which are obtained almost exclusively through criminal behaviour.
Result -> bussiness burglaries and break-ins.

Following that is the lengths that money-greedy bums will go to to make a cent, and the resultant lack of sterile and hygenic manufacturing environments.
Result->"Whaddya mean you cant put a basic solution into aluminium? I added caustic-soda to the cook-up and then transferred to Al electric wok. Yeah! It's good how the shit even cleans the wok at the same time"

Then of course there's the end price of the junk. Something that the govt could make for practically nix is being sold to desperados for $200. This 200 sure isn't being earnt by the users - just by you and me and the insurance company.
Result->Of course some people will still steal to live, while others do it for the exhilaration. But killing off 70% of all property related crime'd be nice huh?


Then of course there is the issue that this whole rant pertains to: The drying up of OTC (and chem-supply houses) sources of chems.

While it's one thing to take away the personal freedoms of some for the greater good of many, it's counter-productive to slow down the rate of home chemistry and scientific advancements.

In closing, if you want these chems to make bomz to hurt/kill people or to make drugs, I'gve got two things to say to you:

1) GOOD! I'm glad you're having a shit of a time buying chems.
2) FUCK-OFF & get a real job/hobby. You've ruined it for the rest of us.

I thought I'd just post just in case I was less clear than I thought, and my rather caustic words at the end were taken personally.

Don't know if that was to me FloridaAlchemist, or just a general statement of fact. If it was to me, then sorry. I certainly wasn't addressing the last bit of abuse towards anybody in particular. Just the druggies, to use YT2095's term.

I was just so mad at the time. Even this board suffers, I mean if the chems weren't hard to obtain then there would be more sharing of information and less guarding of sources. Similarly, rather than spend 6 months trying to get all the precursors you could spend 6 months fine-tuning a process or reaction.

Take for example the way that some of the proteins found in snake poisons are sustained with plasma(as in the stuff in blood) or the like. Some bushmen have known this for eons. They'd dip their arrows into the poison of a snake or frog and then use them. Somewhere along the line they discovered that if the poison were mixed with blood before the arrow was dipped in it, it would remain potent for twice as long!! i.e a week or two instead of 3-4 days to a week. As I understand, this is a relatively new idea in western medicine having been re-discovered in the past couple a decades somewhere.

Look at the technology - snake, arrow, blood, bowl and stick. Multi Millions of dollars worth there! Ah-hah. No not at all. Just a matter of experimentation and time. Time we're all losing while we play "Loook MUM! I made what big-brother took away from me"

Sorry again FloridaAlchemist if my post seemed to attack you. 'twas not the intent.

[Edited on 3-12-2006 by enhzflep]