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chemiluminescence and an oscillating reaction

wg48 - 28-11-2016 at 07:10

I imagine it already been done or tried to be but if not we should try to couple a chemiluminescence reaction with an oscillating reaction to flash the light on and off.

For a supper neat effect couple it to two chemiluminescence reactions that produce different colours so the light varies between the two colors.

careysub - 28-11-2016 at 07:38

It doesn't oscillate exactly, but Volume 1 of Shakhashiri's Chemical Demonstrations has a "Two-Color Chemiluminescent Clock Reaction" (red, then blue) with the following reagents:
luminol
sodium hydroxide
potassium carbonate
pyrogallol (pyrogallic acid, 1,23-trihydroxybenzene)
40% formaldehyde
30% H2O2

Gallic acid can probably be substituted for pyrogallol.

Procedure:
Wearing gloves, measure 40 mL of distilled water into a 250 mL beaker. Add 0.8 g of sodium hydroxide and dissolve. Add 0.005 g of luminol, 25 g of potassium carbonate, and 1.0 g of pyrogallol, Stir to dissolve. Add 10 mL of 40% formaldehyde. Pour the solution into a 1 L beaker, and place the beaker in a 2 L beaker or shallow pan.

To perform the demonstration, dim the room lights and add 30 mL of 30% H2O2 ro the 1 L beaker. Sitrring is not necessary. The reaction mixture glows dull red for several seconds, followed by extensive foaming and the solution becoming hot, and then bright blue for a few more seconds.

It is based on two sequential oxidation reactions, first we get the singlet oxygen glow from oxiidizing pyrogallol and formaldehyde by alkaline H2O2, and then the oxidation of luminol apparently by free radicals produced by the pyrolgallol oxidation. CO2, H2, and O2 are all evolved to produce the foaming.

The actual reaction sequence, at the time of writing, 1983, was not well understood.

Volume 2, however does have an oscillating chemoluminescent reaction: Photofluorescent Cerium-catalyzed Bromate-Malonic Acid Reaction (A Modified Belousov-Zhabotinsky Reaction).

This requires:
Potassium bromate (13 g) or sodium bromate (12 g)
Potassium bromide (0.3 g) or sodium bromide (0.26 g)
Malonic acid (16 g)
Tris(bipyridine) ruthenium(II) chloride (0.045 g)
6M H2SO4 (150 mL)
Cerium(IV) ammonium nitrate (0.38 g)
Distilled water (600 mL)
and a UV light (it does not glow by itself)

The instructions are much more complicated, and I am not up to typing them out right now. Maybe I can make and post a PDF of the entire procedure and discussion later (5 pages).

The oscillation is between a bright orange fluorescence and a dark state.

[Edited on 28-11-2016 by careysub]

Neme - 28-11-2016 at 09:40

I don't have currently time to read whole text but do you mean something like this?

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wg48 - 28-11-2016 at 15:50

Those last two posts give me the urge to synthesis some luminol. Nerd Rage has an OTC route and no cyanide required like the malic acid.

Its £13 for one gram on ebay or £30 for 25g, perhaps a xmas present to myself LOL.

Neme - 3-12-2016 at 13:08

I have been doing the experiment in pdf I attached, it works pretty fine. It starts glowing for few seconds every two minutes (sometimes little bit longer).

DJF90 - 3-12-2016 at 13:40

There was one demonstrated on LabPhoto a few weeks/months back.