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Anything wrong with this analytical balance?

Sniffity - 23-10-2016 at 21:41

Hey,

So I've been trying to pick up an analytical balance for my lab. Most prices I've found for 0.1mg precision balances are up in the thounsands. Yet here I came across this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/100x0-0001g-Lab-Digital-Analytical-B...

I was wondering if there's a particular reason why this one's so cheap. Can't figure it out.

Thanks for input!

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Sulaiman - 24-10-2016 at 03:44

have you budgeted for a suitable callibration weight ?

OIML R 111-1: 2004 ........ class E1 (or E2 or ASTM E 617-97 (2008) .... class 0)


P.S. 0.1 mg in 100 g is 1 ppm ... bouyancy due to air density (1.225 mg/cc) comes into play.

Chinese eBay M2 weights in chrome finish are of variable plating quality, one of four 100g weights that I have is corroding :(

[Edited on 24-10-2016 by Sulaiman]

gdflp - 24-10-2016 at 07:19

I haven't had good luck with Chinese equipment in the past. My recommendation, and what I did, is to look for a used analytical balance from a reputable company such as Mettler or Ohaus.

I managed to snag a Mettler AE160 for $200, and they pop up for around that amount from time to time. It has a built in 100g calibration weight, 0-160g range, and 0.0001g precision.

Sure, it's a bit older, but it was a huge step from the $20 Chinese scale I was using before, and I've never had any reason to doubt the accuracy.

Never buy the "no further testing" balances though, or balances which don't have pictures of both a correct zero weight and accurate measurement of a calibration weight, as they almost certainly are nonfunctional, or have missing load arms (talking from experience here:mad:.)

[Edited on 10-24-2016 by gdflp]

Sniffity - 24-10-2016 at 15:59

I'm between this two models:
1.-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-Lab-Analytical-Balance-Digital-P...
2.- (listed above)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/100x0-0001g-Lab-Digital-Analytical-B...

Still, even factoring in the price of calibration weights, the price for the second one seems extremely, extremely low, when compared to say this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OHAUS-Explorer-EX324-320g-x-0-1mg-0-...
Or this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OHAUS-EX224-AD-AUTO-DOOR-EXPLORER-AN...

Sulaiman - 25-10-2016 at 02:02

Although digital scales such as the ones you are looking at are good, are they necessary ?
For chemistry, where the next most accurate measuring devices are class A volumetric glassware, with 0.1 % accuracy, why would you want greater accuracy ?

Might it be better to have say three separate scales ?
e.g. 30g x 1mg and 300g x 10mg and 3kg x 100mg
probably with callibration weights <$100.

Three scales for 1/4 to 1/10 the cost, no fear of damaging expensive equipment, sufficient accuracy, and adequate range of weighing to cover most experiments.


P.S. a 250 ml beaker of water at 25 C in ambient temperature of 25 C loses c1 mg/sec by evaporation.
(dry air at 0.5 m/s, if my calculations are correct :)
So even if cooler and slightly humid air, you guys with 0.1 mg resolution scales should be able to watch/measure the weight decrease in real time.

O.K. ... now I want a precision balance :(

[Edited on 25-10-2016 by Sulaiman]

Mush - 30-10-2016 at 03:51

Quote: Originally posted by Sniffity  
I'm between this two models:
1.-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-Lab-Analytical-Balance-Digital-


My friend has got this (300g model) at home. Not that bad compared to price. But the last decimal tends to shift after a few measurment , so I would only count on the first and second decimal as an accurate reading.

unionised - 30-10-2016 at 06:17

Quote: Originally posted by Sulaiman  
have you budgeted for a suitable callibration weight ?

OIML R 111-1: 2004 ........ class E1 (or E2 or ASTM E 617-97 (2008) .... class 0)


P.S. 0.1 mg in 100 g is 1 ppm ... bouyancy due to air density (1.225 mg/cc) comes into play.

Chinese eBay M2 weights in chrome finish are of variable plating quality, one of four 100g weights that I have is corroding :(

[Edited on 24-10-2016 by Sulaiman]

Not that it matters much to most people, air buoyancy comes into play at about 1 in 1000.
Once you have a balance that will weigh a 100ml flask full of water to a tenth of a mg you should be allowing for the variation of air's density with the weather- temperature, pressure and humidity will make a difference.

So, the next question is:
How many people reading this habitually weigh things to 4 figures (or more), but don't do the buoyancy correction?

Incidentally, the reason you need a better balance than the glassware is that
1 you use it to calibrate the glassware (Not all class A is good to 0.1%, on the other hand, some is rather better) and
2 you can do gravimetric analysis to a better precision than you can do volumetric work.



[Edited on 30-10-16 by unionised]

Sulaiman - 30-10-2016 at 06:41

"So, the next question is:
How many people reading this habitually weigh things to 4 figures (or more), but don't do the buoyancy correction?"

me :(

unionised - 30-10-2016 at 08:05

Quote: Originally posted by Sulaiman  
"So, the next question is:
How many people reading this habitually weigh things to 4 figures (or more), but don't do the buoyancy correction?"

me :(


And, most of the time, me- but at least I know I'm doing it. On a good day I can even work out if it's likely to matter.

Mush - 5-11-2016 at 06:28

These analytical balances are in an affordable price range too:
https://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/256-2373639-1493924?_...

G&G website:
http://pdf.medicalexpo.com/pdf/g-g/jj-bc/68544-152394.html

[Edited on 5-11-2016 by Mush]