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How to get ammonium acetate from ammonium chloride

khourygeo78 - 22-7-2016 at 05:27

Hello,

Is it possible to make ammonium acetate out of ammonium chloride at home, without using dangerous chemicals, or having to resort to a special chemical store to obtain certain chemicals, as there are no such stores nearby

Thanks for your time

Metacelsus - 22-7-2016 at 05:56

If you have a strong base (NaOH drain cleaner might work), you can make ammonia gas, and bubble into acetic acid (vinegar). The strong base is somewhat hazardous, but you can take precautions to minimize risk.

Praxichys - 22-7-2016 at 06:16

Rather than starting with ammonium chloride, you could go to the grocery store and purchase some white distilled vinegar and some household ammonia, mix them in the correct proportions, then evaporate the solution.

battoussai114 - 22-7-2016 at 08:06

Maybe precipitate ammonium carbonate with washing soda and then react it with acetic acid.

khourygeo78 - 24-7-2016 at 00:05

Thanks guys, I have enough ideas now. Will do it soon

unionised - 24-7-2016 at 01:32

Quote: Originally posted by battoussai114  
Maybe precipitate ammonium carbonate with washing soda and then react it with acetic acid.


What solvent did you have in mind? Ammonium carbonate is soluble in water.

AJKOER - 2-8-2016 at 06:34

Try combining fumes of dried ammonia with hot vapors of acetic acid in a large vessel hopefully producing a possible smoke/cloud of ammonium acetate.

I known this smoke effect occurs on mixing vapors of NH3 and HCl creating NH4Cl. Also, reported for NH3 plus vapors of HNO2 producing NH4NO2. To quote from a source ( "Gaseous Air Pollutants and its Environmental Effect- Emitted from the Tanning Industry at Hazaribagh, Bangladesh" in American Journal of Engineering Research available at link: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ajer.org/papers/v4(05)/P04501380143.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiUzsjM_6LOAhWDez4KH UNJDuI4HhAWCC0wBA&usg=AFQjCNHzSZe1_2N_0MNnUy5kRjhKYi__jg&sig2=NxjpTbPt0uIPPafq4iAvBQ ):

"In atmosphere, gaseous form of ammonia (NH3) reacts with available acids and form their corresponding salts cause cloudiness and finally they return to earth surface by wet or dry deposition which effects on aquatic life. "

So, apparently the cloud effect applies widely to gaseous ammonia and acid reactions although cold temperatures may be required (for example, NH4HS from NH3 + H2S, which is a fuming liquid at RT). The case for ammonium acetate, a white solid, is interesting as it readily absorbs water vapor, so collection of the solid salt from the formed cloud may depend heavily on the absence of moisture.

[Edited on 2-8-2016 by AJKOER]

S.C. Wack - 2-8-2016 at 14:13

Quote: Originally posted by AJKOER  
Try combining fumes of dried ammonia with hot vapors of acetic acid in a large vessel hopefully producing a possible smoke/cloud of ammonium acetate.


If one was to use GAA and NH3, they'd just bubble the gas in the hot acid.

Obviously the correct short answer was: chalk.