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Titration problems

Yttrium2 - 2-7-2015 at 14:42

Two questions:

Any advice on easy ways to remember the titration equation? Isn't there a formula, which one seems to work best?

When we did a titration in class, the endpoint of the titration was not neutral. How come we did not stop adding acid at neutral? Wouldn't neutral be when all of the base is neutralized? I thought titrations stopped at neutral, previously.

Thanx

blogfast25 - 2-7-2015 at 15:32

Quote: Originally posted by Yttrium2  
Two questions:

Any advice on easy ways to remember the titration equation? Isn't there a formula, which one seems to work best?

When we did a titration in class, the endpoint of the titration was not neutral. How come we did not stop adding acid at neutral? Wouldn't neutral be when all of the base is neutralized? I thought titrations stopped at neutral, previously.

Thanx


Titrations only have a neutral end-point if you titrate a strong base with a strong acid (or vice versa).

If you titrate a weak base (e.g. ammonia or an amine) with a strong acid the end-point is at pH slightly lower than 7.

If you titrate a weak acid (e.g. acetic acid) with a strong base the end-point is at pH slightly higher than 7.

The titration protocol will usually tell you what indicator to use.

Titration formula:

V1 = volume of titrant used, C1 = concentration of titrant used.
V2 = volume of analyte used, C2 = concentration of analyte used.

Formula: C1V1 = C2V2

Usually C2 is the unknown, so C2 = C1 x (V1/V2)


[Edited on 2-7-2015 by blogfast25]

DraconicAcid - 2-7-2015 at 15:45

Titrations stop when you've added exactly enough A to react with all of the B in your flask. It's a stoichiometry problem. There are formulas that some students use, but I loathe them, because they get mixed up with the dilution formula, and shows that they have no idea what's really happen.

I tell my students that any stoichiometry problem can be solved with the same three basic steps, just like Dora the Explorer. Her map always tells her to go somewhere in three steps (cross the bridge, go through the forest, and that's how you get to Grandma's house. You tell Dora, bridge, forest, Grandma's house!). In stoichiometry, the three steps are a) convert to moles, b) apply the mole-to-mole ratio, and c) get whatever it is you were asked to find (mass, concentration, percentage, etc). Moles, ratio, Grandma's house.

So if I have the volume and concentration of the base I used to titrate a known volume of a diprotic acid, I would a) convert the volume of the base into moles (n = CV), b) use the mole-to-mole ratio from the balanced equation to determine the number of moles of acid (1:2 ratio), and c) divide the number of moles of acid by the volume it was originally in, to get the original concentration.

If you do an acid-base titration of a strong acid with a strong base, the equivalence point will be neutral (when you add exactly enough acid to neutralize all the base, there's nothing left, so it's neutral). The endpoint is when the indicator changes colour, and if the indicator doesn't change colour until a pH of 9, the solution will be basic at the endpoint (which will be a fraction of a drop of titrant past the endpoint, so the difference doesn't matter). If either the acid or the base isn't strong, then the equivalence point pH will not be 7. A weak acid titrated with a strong base will give a solution of the conjugate base of the weak acid, which will be a weak base, so it will be basic.

DraconicAcid - 2-7-2015 at 15:52

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  

Titration formula:

V1 = volume of titrant used, C1 = concentration of titrant used.
V2 = volume of analyte used, C2 = concentration of analyte used.

Formula: C1V1 = C2V2

Usually C2 is the unknown, so C2 = C1 x (V1/V2)


That's exactly what I hate to see my students using, because it only works in a 1:1 stoichiometry, and I also can't tell if they know what's going on, or if they are using the dilution formula just because it's the only one they remember.

Volanschemia - 2-7-2015 at 16:06

I much prefer the formula:

Mcompound to be titrated = Vtitrant / Vcompound to be titrated * Mtitrant * Ccompound to be titrated / Ctitrant

Where C = Coefficient, V = Volume, M = Molarity.



[Edited on 3-7-2015 by TheAustralianScientist]

blogfast25 - 2-7-2015 at 16:10

Quote: Originally posted by TheAustralianScientist  
I much prefer the formula:

Mcompound to be titrated = Vtitratee / Vcompound to be titrated * Mtitratee * Ccompound to be titrated / Ctitratee

Where C = Coefficient, V = Volume, M = Molarity.



See, I wouldn't remember that in an exam. But then I wouldn't have to either! :D

blogfast25 - 2-7-2015 at 16:15

Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  


That's exactly what I hate to see my students using, because it only works in a 1:1 stoichiometry, and I also can't tell if they know what's going on, or if they are using the dilution formula just because it's the only one they remember.


Yeah, whatever. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not one of your students! :D;) Couldn't blame you if you were glad about that too...